Rückruf Scott Walker! ; )

Spoken in the language of the original National Socialist Party!

At least you guys on the left are staying true to form.

Das ist schrecklich Herr Hoffa!

@Bren -

What did you say about my mother? Actually, if it was about my mother, I'd probably agree with you :-)

Honestly though, is he really that terrible? Even you would have to admit that Walker is 100 times better than any Kennedy would be!

John F. Kennedy founded the Peace Corps! An extraordinary organization. When I was in Ouezzane, Morocco years back, the people there talked about the Peace Corps as a transformative organization. There is not one thing about the ALEC agenda that could ever have the same direct, long-lasting impact on ordinary people as the Peace Corps.

$$andSense I pretty much feel that way about all politicians, none of them are working for us! I too voted for Walker but I do support the recall. From where I sit people of both parties look pretty childish, my way is right yours is wrong.

@$$andSense -- in just one year we had severe curtailment of public collective bargaining, Voter ID, and weakening of environmental protections. Do we want to let things continue for three more years with Walker and the Fitzgerald brothers thinking they have an ironclad mandate?

I pressured both my state representative and my state senator with no results whatsoever. If they need the threat of recall, so be it.

But let me guess Randy1949 that the great one that was elected as the first Kenyan president is doing so much for the people of this country? It is OK to spend $750,000.00 on a soccer field at GITMO that BO was going to close just keep spending.

Randy
No one died. A lot of union (and non union people as well) that work for local and state gov't. were affected. Right or wrong, Your call. Voter ID, WDNR powers, the state of the state are all up for grabs. I repeat, put the pressure on your state reps, document everything.

@$$andSense -- Yes, many people were affected, taking cuts to their disposable income, which in turn affects sales tax revenue. Possibly not the best way to deal with a budget shortfall at the state level. Further offset by tax breaks to those in the upper income levels. State EIC and Homestead credits 'reformed', shifting burden to those at the bottom.

I have real doubts that in the long run these policies will be effective and the priorities are certainly skewed. Add to that the social agenda legislation that is sure to come, and you can see why I'm less than happy.

As for putting pressure on my state representatives, I live in a solidly blue area and they cheerfully ignore me. Other than Farrow, who has been kind enough to respond to several emails but only to express his reasoning behind doing what I am not in favor of. My state senator and the governor have not even bothered to respond.

Agreed

$$SANDSENSE YOU PARASITES DON'T HAVE A CONSCIENCE YOUR TO BUSY FEELING SORRY FOR THE FACT YOU CANNOT HIDE BEHIND A SHIELD OF WORTLESS SENIORITY AND YOU MAY HAVE TO ADVANCE BY MERIT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE AND YOU HAVE NEVER DONE SO BEFORE. AFTER WALKER IS REELECTED ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS HE HAS TO DO IS TO CULL THE HERD OF THE NON PRODUCERS THIS WILL BE A GOOD WAY TO RECLAIM ALL THE TAXPAYER MONEY WASTED ON THE RECALL EFFORT!!Let the young ones tha want work and produce give 9 for 8 and teach the children a good work ethic instead of union loaferizm 5 for 8 parasite plan get rid of sick days another wortless concept that is not condusive to productivity the taxpayers can and will recover the money corrupted by the unions and their loafer parasite leech members REMEMBER THIS SOME OF THE MOST DISAPPOINTED PEOPLE ON EARTH ARE THE ONES WHO RECIEVED WHAT THEY HAD COMING TO THEM

@TOM -- Look at this sensibly. With a limited budget, who will be the first workers to be let go? The more expensive ones with seniority and, yes, experience. You'd like to think that a school principal would try to keep the best teachers regardless of cost, but it doesn't always work that way. You've just turned the teaching profession into financial suicide -- limited pay for the education involved, with a good chance of being let go in middle age.

You seem not to have paid too much attention in school. The least you could do is not to call teachers parasites.

I couldn't agree more. Elected officials putting political party ahead of tax paying citizens is appalling. The reality of this vote is that the democrats did not want the Walker administration to appear to have a victory. SAD, SAD days in our state. More are to come if we follow thru on this recall. K. Falk has all but said that raising taxes to endear the very union who will finance her candidacy is the reality. What happened to ALL the citizens of Wisconsin. I don't support all that S. Walker has done, but pandering to essentially what amounts to 12% of the registered voters in the state is insane. When does it all STOP. We deserve better.

Given what Walker has already done, I'm convinced that our state can not afford a full ALEC term, between cutting tax credits, health care for our poorest, cutting K-12 education, more crony appointments, unnecessary and expensive Voter ID bill, and now this mining debacle. A bill that falsely defines ore body as containing multiple minerals. Why? Because there's pyrite in the ore which leads to environmental devastation? (Sulfer and arsenic in the river.) For 700 "permanent" jobs (which may or may not be an over-inflated number, and which might not all have gone to Wisconsinites). This was a potential danger to our state and the Walker administration tried to rush it through. Clearly Wisconsin's welfare is not a priority.

I don't believe any of the legislators who turned this reprehensible mining bill down is against mining, just irresponsible mining. Let's find a company that is willing to work within regulations, and out in the open. No more cozy texts with Scott Fitzgerald. No more rants on DNR letterhead from Cathy Steppe.

Hoffa, Craig agrees with you 100%.
Unfortunately there are those who wish for job losses to fuel their fire, and would rather see people suffer and be right than see Walker as he is.
If they would let the dust settle instead of stirring up the ashes, more jobs would come to Wisconsin. That is many people's opinion- not just mine. Speaking of mines...

Keep up the great work Governor Walker thank you for trying to get things moving in the right direction.

Good grief, this blog is in the liberal cesspool already, and on a Sunday yet. Why aren't they out pounding on their drums, enjoying the gods sun upon them and pronouncing their undieing love for their marxist/socialist leaders.

@Mau -- the liberal side isn't the only one to create a 'cesspool'. You conservatives have some real doozies spouting off in here.

@Randy1949 -

Come on - just like you guys don't own Jerry, we don't own TOM, oak creek resident, or sometimes Tim Scott.

However, we'll always lay claim to AWD - who doesn't love that guy? ;-)

How much of January's job growth can Scott Walker directly take credit for, and how much is the effect of our slowly improving economy?

@Bren -

Please spare us your feeble attempt at giving Obama credit for the improving economy - it's already a very old talking point. The fact that you're quick to deride and hold Walker accountable for job losses but then fail to give him credit when the situation is reversed is once again highly indicative of your partisanship.

Walker never claims that he creates jobs - he only ever takes credit for creating an environment in which the private sector can flourish.

@Randy, I've been bashed by a couple of those types of conservatives too. I have been working at keeping my comments low key and then get flamed in return. Sometimes I wonder why I try.

I had to put a cork in my husband today when he rolled down the window and was going to say something to the owner of the vehicle sitting next to us.

Can either side tell me where all these jobs are? What basis are they using to say that the economy is growing stronger? Has the housing market rebounded, has the steel industry came back to the country, are interest rates rising, are banks lending, are business borrowing, are the trades rebounding. Or have more workers used up all their unemployment benefits and are dropping out of the picture. I am sure when the seasonal jobs start again that will really make for rising economy.

I am hoping that a week from this Monday, my son will be dropping off the unemployment roll because he has a job to go to.

Mr. Hoffa, the economy has been improving over the past 6 months so one would reasonably expect Wisconsin's economic picture to improve.

@Bren -

Did I call that one or what? :-)

I am in total agreement with you. People say that dems want to see the mining bill fail because they want Walker to look bad. Nonsense. The PEOPLE have been heard! They want clean water, natural eco systems so that their children and generations to come will be able to enjoy this.

I agree. You have to weigh the mining jobs against the loss of livelihood to the rice-gatherers and those who benefit from the tourism and fishing. Once those are gone, they will be gone, if not forever, for many generations. How long would the mine have produced enough ore to support the mining jobs?

I am trying to imagine what Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican and a man who did possibly more than any other president to preserve America's natural wonders and historic sites from developers and looters, would have to say about that mining bill and its potential environmental impact on the region. From what I have read, he was a man who spoke his mind.

@Bren -

Did you read Cathy Stepp's piece about the mine, which was posted to Patch earlier today?

http://mountpleasant.patch.com/articles/don-t-buy-the-hyperbole-over-mining-proposal

Yes, Mr. Hoffa, I read Ms. Stepp's "opinion" piece when it was first published on March 9, 2012 (but written Feb. 20) as a press release on WI DNR stationary.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/434/dnrreleasebmp.png

As I was given to understand, the communications director whose name appears on the document (Laurel Steffes) had no idea that her name was included. After a complaint was registered about the partisan nature of the press release, it was pulled and republished as an opinion piece. Cathy Stepp is on record as criticizing the DNR prior to her crony appointment. I'm going to post that link on her "opinion" article, too.

Since when does a college education guaranty you to be able to run a state or business? I know someone who dropped out of school and is General manager of a restaurant and changed it from being a money loser to a money maker. I never finished high school but ran two gas stations. I know I can't run a state but that doesn't mean a degree says you can. Some of the dumbest people I've met are college educated...remember, I said some, not all.

$$andSense -

My soul actually feels pretty darn good!

You do realize that the constant Nazi references towards Walker and the right actually do the recallers a disservice, don't you?

Thus, one can only infer that you must in fact be a closeted Walker supporter! There's nothing to be ashamed of, trust me! Come and join us on the 24th - we're a very spirited bunch, I assure you :-)

@$$andSense -

You're right - quoting Goebbel's as being indicative of what Walker is doing definitely doesn't infer any ties to Nazism. I don't know where I came up with such an assertion. Clearly, I must have been half in the bag or something when my logic failed me and I formulated such an asinine deduction.

Silly me! I completely stand corrected. Thank you for pointing me towards the wisdom that I may find studying the ancient Romans and Greeks. Your tutelage in this area has totally enlightened me and I can now die a content man all because of you.

All praise $$andSense - revealer of the ultimate truth!!!

Hoffa. Sarcasm noted. You need some lessons in intellect and reasoning.

History does repeat itself. Too bad you got suckered into the illusion as well. Use your honed skills as a movie producer and release a block buster so all can hail the Hoffa. Call it " I Told You So- WI History Re-Written in One Year By Comrade Hero Of The State Scott Walker's Regime ". A block buster to be sure. Just make sure I get rights for underwriting the script.

Only fools ignore history. Looks like you signed on with them.

And, once again, I voted for the Walker who turned out to be a card sharp. Please don't repeat the mantra "this is what he said he was going to do". Prove that.

Just remember James R, $$andNonsense is really a grumpy old Liberal whose job is to bad mouth Governor Walker posing as a Conservative.

We need more like him in politics to get rid of parasites like you that have no concience and continue to feed on a decaying body like a leech is programed to do!

Well, he has the caps button disabled. That's a start.

The problem with civil discourse is that both parties engaged have to respect the others right to a dissenting view. It appears that Tom can neither respect others nor present an opinion that is nothing more than spewing hatred and disrespect. I feel for people like that for they live in a very small world.

I don't mean to seem all high and mighty here. Its just that I know that there are ways for intelligent conversation to occur regarding differing political viewpoints.

I have a brother who for some reason unbeknownst to me is is a very ardent Republican. We disagree on many issues (including this recall), yet we are able to engage about them. Sometimes it gets heated but in the end we can agree to disagree gaining a little more insight as to why we both have come to feel the way we feel. I can't say that he has changed my mind about many issues. I can say that our conversations have helped to form the way I Iook at these type of issues.

I think that this type of discourse is productive. Unfortunately their are many instances where it doesn't happen and nothing is accomplished.

I think he is for REAL jobs not a bunch or worthless whimpering union babies screaming for another bottle jobs :)

@ Thurston Howell III -

When referencing "FOOLS," I presume that you're referring to the kind that continually bang on drums, blow into plastic horns, and harass state legislators at their every turn over the course of an entire year, and yes, unfortunately it appears that there are plenty of those kind of "FOOLS" in this state!

Nope, It was more the Tea Partiers who seem so afraid that they have to carry guns to their picnics. Those are the "FOOLS" I'm referring to. Of course, you could lump in anyone so ill informed to really believe Walker's contention that "It's Working" when any FOOL can see that it isn't. Just to throw a crumb your way Hoffa, Yeah the bongo guys are pretty foolish too :-)

@Thurston -

At least all sensibility hasn't left you ;-)

BTW - Did you see the recent jobs numbers? Lowest state-wide unemployment rate since 2008! Sure looks like it's starting to work to me! And please, spare us the attempt to credit Obama, as that talking point has already gotten old.

Cheers!

Really Tonto, Like real Walmart jobs. He's lost jobs month after month and you have the audacity to tell me he's for "Real" jobs. What's in that pipe of yours?

Ok fine Thursty Howler, we should have one big giant union of lazy overpaid underworked diaper rashed cry babies. America - Land of the Free......loaders.

@$$andSense -

No, I do not support badge union exemptions as I'm firmly against all public sector unionization as such poses an inherent conflict of interest and unnecessary redundancy that only acts to increase the cost to taxpayers while decreasing the effectiveness and efficiency of the services provided. Try reading my book some time or FDR's letters and maybe you'll achieve a basic comprehension of the issue when all is said and done, but I won't hold my breath ;-)

I don't recall having ever called you a "grumpy old liberal." Care to elaborate why you're trying to put words in my mouth that I never posted anywhere?

Actually, other than a relatively small mortgage, I'm 100% debt free and all of my taxes have been paid in full - no credit cards, car loans, payday loans, etc. I actually plan on paying off the mortgage within 10 years or less, despite having a 30 year fixed term, as I'm currently making triple payments and then some every month. Yeah, that means forgoing things such as fancy vacations and such, but that's how I was raised.

While I've worked in the public sector as both a non-union employee and as an independent contractor, no, I've never held an elected public office. How about you?

I'm at a loss as to what this has to do with anything and why you're asking me all these irrelevant questions in such a negative and hostile way with the personal attacks and all.

Perhaps you are the one that should try growing a pair, or least take heed from the writings of the ancient Greeks and Romans.

No political BS from my end.

In my last post on the mining blog ( http://muskego.patch.com/articles/mining-bill-fails-in-state-senate ) I said "I have stated time and again if it were my decision, I would have included police and fire." I went to include my writing to my state representatives as such. I am not sure if you are have the blog equivalent of selective hearing or just lying to try and make your self look like a Conservative. Regardless, you are still a grumpy old Liberal whose job is to bad mouth Governor Walker by posing as a Conservative.

And that is my statement, not Hoffa's. I'm not sure if Hoffa has come to that conclusion, but if he has,he has not said it, I did. But as usual you are twisting and spinning others statements to try and make yourself appear as anything but what you really are, a grumpy old Liberal whose job is to bad mouth Governor Walker by posing as a Conservative.

And don't whine about name calling. Do I need to go back over your old posts you grumpy old Liberal whose job is to bad mouth Governor Walker by posing as a Conservative.

$$andSense -

"I believe in the truth and doing what is right and carrying my own weight which I have done my entire life. No unions, no mommy and daddy money, no government handouts. Just my wits and my own fortitude. The kind of people that this country was based on and should continue to be."

You are absolutely right and I agree with such quoted assertions 100% - that's why I stand with Walker, because that is what he represents.

When did I ever call you old or a liberal?

Cherio!

$$andSense -

When did I ever make an original personal attack against you? Please, cite your proof and don't associate me with the conduct of others - that's just a really poor argument to make as you haven't gone through and discredited all of the bs personal attacks coming from the left on the Patch boards, have you? So how do you justify holding me accountable for doing so about all of the bs personal attacks coming from the right?

I agree that we need to get mature, but I'm already there - just waiting on you.

@Brian -

You obviously missed the differentiation between public sector and private sector job creation. We are taxed enough already, aren't we? But you advocate for raising taxes during a recessionary economy to support more public sector jobs? Your self-interest in the matter is definitely revealing as to your partisanship on the issue, isn't it?

The light rail idea was a disaster and that money from the federal government would have still been coming out of our pockets, or at least our children's pockets, as that money would have been borrowed and they would have been strapped with interest and principle repayments on that sum for generations to come. Some of us have decided that living on the fed's credit card is no longer the right direction for our country or our children and advocate for living within our means. That's why Walker rejected the federal money for the light rail project and Hoffa is glad that he did. If I remember correctly, he even made it a campaign promise and one that he kept!

You must not have any children, or if you do, I guess you're OK with sticking them with a $200k bill for our debts as soon as they leave the womb. Sorry, but I just can't get on board with that kind of rational.

You tell me - why was it automatically expected that I call out The Anti-Alinsky for the statements he made? I have no idea about your relationship with that Patch user and if his statements are factually accurate or not, do I? And yet, I was automatically expected to say something in response to such statement??? Where's the logic in that???

If you're confused, than I am doubly so, as I wasn't the one that started this by coming out of the gate all hostile and spewing vitriol such as:

" What kind of political BS are you two coming out with to throw at me, the "grumpy old liberal". I would put both of you to shame when it comes to conservative values, dash board bobble head Walker neophytes. I would bet both of you are in debt up to your ears yet yap like little dogs about government being in the same situation."

Was I?

Hoffa
Nice word crafting of several comments being mixed together. Is that what movie producers do because if so, I am truly impressed. Now you and AA get together and produce a Scott Walker promotional for the masses. Not this lame stuff Walker is throwing on cable. I mean a real in-your-face infomercial to get the word out that if you don't vote for Scott Walker in the upcoming recall election, there will be hell to pay with taxation in this state. Now, get out there and do it. Don’t forget the badge unions to enforce the message. You can do it.

$$ & BS - You liberals in conservatives clothing are all over the internet. Do you think the cross dressing scam is gonna get people to vote for that lieing communist Oblamer?

@$$andSense -

I'll get right on that project! I bet I could direct some fantastic commercials for Walker that would have One Wisconsin Now shaking in their boots!

@Michael Schwister -

Hoffa is steadfastly against all public subsidies of private enterprise as well as an advocate for restructuring both the state and federal tax codes. One only needs to read Hoffa's posts regarding the Wall Street bailouts to understand his position in such regard.

However, under the current tax code hell, in order to compete with other states that offer businesses tax break incentives to set up shop within their jurisdiction, Hoffa sees Walker's doing the same as merely matching the competition and a responsible act in light of the reality of the situation. Otherwise, there'd be no manufacturing done in Wisconsin at all anymore - is that really what you'd like to see happen?

Governor Walker is only trying his best to get back the heavy industry and manufacturing jobs that the state has bled since Doyle took the reigns. He should be applauded for such efforts - not crucified.

Our return, obviously, is family sustaining jobs that create a stronger base of support for our local communities and the state as a whole, in addition to a reduced need for social safety net programs. Pretty logical, right?

@ Hoffa, So you don't believe in corporate welfare of any kind. But in your opinion it creates jobs. Your reasoning doesn't follow logical thought but seems to support mimicking bad policy. What I would really like to see happen is hoffa using his own words instead of mimicking conservative talking points and opining on Walkers greatness like a team cheerleader. If you support him , great. Your choice. If your reality tells you that Scott Walker saved manufacturing in this state through corporate welfare you and I have different realities.

@Michael Schwister -

Did you even read what Hoffa wrote?

A direct subsidy is a handout, a tax-break is a luring incentive that's made necessary by the reality of the situation. I'm wholly against subsidies, and while Hoffa doesn't like preferential tax breaks much either, he realizes that they're a necessary given the current situation. That's why Hoffa is also a proponent for completely restructuring our state tax code - by making the code fairer and broadening the base of collection, the rates of those currently paying will come down and we can eventually eliminate the preferential corporate tax breaks because we'll have eliminated the necessity.

But of course, I'm sure that the left/liberals/Dems would try to block this too!

$$ & BS - If the thieving democrats would quit stealing everyones money they could easily pay off those mortgages you have a fetish for...ever think of that?

$$andSense -

You're starting to make about as much sense as Jerry Person!

$$andSense -

Please, enlighten me on two points:

1 - Who is the person from Muskego that you keep referencing on other Patch boards; and

2 - As a 'conservative,' who will you be voting for in the recall election if you're not supporting Walker?

I'd gladly do a free commercial for Governor Walker to help the cause, but I wouldn't have the money to air it.

Please, cite us some example of when you put your money where your anti-Walker mouth is - I'd love to hear about such anecdotes.

And please answer the above two questions that I posed to you.

Of course leave it to a Liberal to claim falling housing prices as the reason his property taxes went down.

$$, tax levies are determined by taxing entities over their jurisdiction as a whole. For example, here in Muskego our 2012 levy was 11,935,917. That amount then gets divided up to each property owner based on their property value, the philosophy being those who can afford bigger houses can afford to pay more in taxes. It's all proportional. So if everyone's property value drops 5% you will still end up paying what you would have otherwise.

But I don't expect you to understand about taxes since you are just a grumpy old Liberal whose job is to bad mouth Governor Walker by posing as a Conservative.

$$andSense -

Just because you "do not recognize the recall as a legitimate election," doesn't mean that it's not going to happen. So, if you voted for Walker before, then I don't understand why you wouldn't want to protect that vote from subversion by people that you view as being illegitimate - very curious. And if you're truly a conservative, as you claim to be, then I don't understand how you could be content with someone like Falk possibly illegitimately stealing the remainder of Governor Walker's term in such an election - again, very curious.

If Governor Walker loses the recall election, would you pursue legal action all the way up to the US Supreme Court challenging the legitimacy of such election, paying all the legal fees and expenses out-of-pocket, seeing as how you're such an adamant man of your words and convictions? Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath!

Perhaps The Anti-Alinsky knows you better than you know yourself.

@MrsPeel -

Awww, your admiration for me is truly humbling! And once again, thanks for keeping score - I'm going for the Patch Top Contributor of the Year award ;-)

But, seeing as how no one pays me, I must "by nature [be] a bloviating know-it-all."

Adios!

@JRH, keep bloviating.

Mr Hoffa, Sir...
I respect fully your comments on this thread more than most. Bren, well...I find myself skipping over your entries frequently while I find Mr Hoffa's comments of interest. You have been courteous to all points of view and substantiate your points of view. Thanks for all that you have said over the last few months that I have followed this thread. And yes, thanks too for what Mr. Walker has done for our state as it is about time for us to go "Forward".

@Stevie, fully agree.

@Stevie & mau -

You humble Hoffa greatly with your words of admiration - thanks for your support!

Stevie, I'm disappointed! I thought the Bren/Hoffa exchanges were epic battles for the ages! Kong v. Godzilla, Bugs v. Fudd, Fett v. Solo...

@Bren -

How about Kirk v Khan ;-)

Ah, that moment when all those hours of playing 3-D chess finally pay off...

@Bren -

Check your profile page if you haven't already - I left a little message for you there :-)

$$andSense -

Ah yes, another fan of Hoffa!

You should really sign up for Hoffa's monthly newsletter! And if you act now, I'll even send an autographed black and white 8 x 10 that you can proudly display up on the old fireplace mantle ;-)