Americans For Prosperity indeed! Prosperity for those who already have it because they took it from others and want to keep on doing it.

American dream, my Aunt Fanny! More like a nightmare where we return to the 1800s in our social and economic lives. Work 12 hours a day in the mill for $2 an hour and all the fiber you can inhale, buy from the company store, and the women can bring forth a baby each year.

What flavor kool-aid was on sale today?

It is well-documented that nearly every activity of Progressive nature in Wisconsin is financed by SEIU, AFL-CIO, WEAC, NEA, Move On.org, SPLC, George Soros, billionaires David Bondermann, the Resnicks and countless others.

So what, Richard?

Weak.

Edward Willing, some links to support your assertions please?

The difference between Labor and the John Birch Society is that Labor believes in American democracy and liberty and the Birchers do not.

John Birch Society Blue Book quote: “If I were the man on the white horse . . . here are some things I would do. . . 4. We would institute the organized planning and control to make full and effectively coordinated use of the powerful letter writing weapon that lies so ready at hand. . . Letter writing of the kind that builds opinion exactly the way single grains of sand build a whole barricade. . . we would keep a million men working every day . . . ” pp. 66-8.
Read the Bluebook for details of Front Groups, unsubstantiated accusations, and all kinds of other goodies for JBS to use to take over the world.

@Edward Willing, why isn't Bren asking for "some links to support your assertions please?" from goldgoose.

For more accurate information about The John Birch Society, visit JBS.org. There you'll also learn the difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy!

agree ...every time they talk it should come with the warning to cover your ears hide your children and make sure grandma has her O2

WOW! Another nutjob with a laundry list of NOTHING!

Any supporting facts for your fantastic claims?

OH BOY! They sure don't have the A-List professional posters at Huff-Po Central today!

what kind of mentality does it require to say something retarded like that. It seems

to indicate a tea party mentality. friggin juvenile

That's NOTHING! You should see what Wisconsin Teachers say:

According to the criminal complaint, Windels allegedly sent an email threat to State Sen. Robert Cowles (R-Green Bay) March 9. Later that evening, she allegedly sent another email to 15 Republican legislators, including Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau).

The subject line of the second email was: “Atten: Death Threat!!!! Bomb!!!” In that email, she purportedly wrote, “Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks.”

“I hope you have a good time in hell,” she allegedly wrote in the lengthy email in which she purportedly listed scenarios in which the legislators and their families would die, including bombings and by “putting a nice little bullet in your head.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/03/breaking-wi-teacher-charged-with-sending-death-threats-to-gop-lawmakers/

@Durt Bagg... how do you know she was a Santorum supporter? She could have been a Romney supporter, a Paul supporter, an Obama plant, an Occupier, or just some woman that walked up.... no one knows and you assuming you do only shows your ignorance.

He didnt hear the comments live and denounced the comments later when he heard of them. This really isnt news other than the liberal media trying to make it news... but of course everyone will hear about it for weeks.

What? DOES the TRUTH bother you?

Women LOVE jerks! They always go back fro more and often provoke it!

Single mothers are a most definite child abuse threat - statistics prove it. The Children always pay for the Mothers indiscretion.

@Tim Scott...Seems like you got up on the wrong side of reality today. Blaming women now for being abuse victims. According to your thinking it is their fault, and if they get out of an abusive relationship and are a single mom, they are to blame for child abuse too. Nice going, you win scholar of the year award.

Tim Scott, I know a number of single mothers and a single dad. In every case this was not an intended situation. Divorce/abandonment, and in several cases, spousal drug, alcohol, gambling addictions. I think a lot of people take offense when women are blamed for issues when clearly both genders/parents are at fault. The single parents I know have worked two, three, and even four jobs at a time to support their children.

Right on time - here you come to defend the indefensible, spread your propoganda and defend your lies.

Reality - it simply doesn't exist in your world, you have no use for it, and facts are to be ignored.

Ignorance can be cured, but only if you are willing to open your mind and let the light of truth shine in. You have no love of the truth - you can't help yourself.

From Politifact .... Grothman's claim is true...

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/mar/25/glenn-grothman/gop-wisconsin-state-senator-says-study-shows-kids-/

Tim, I don't know if your comment was directed at me. I don't disagree that children end up paying the price for what happens to/with their parents, but I do know that none of the single parents I know signed up for the situation. One's husband became addicted to gambling. He would get paid and blow his entire paycheck at the track. Any money in the house he'd gamble it away. She left him because he wouldn't get help and she and the baby were literally starving. She worked two jobs for the next 15 years. Another postponed college to help her husband with his career--which took him to another woman. She was left with a baby, no degree, and almost all of his debts to pay, which took years, two jobs and a ruined credit rating. Another couple had three kids then the husband decided that he needed a free lifestyle. He bought a motorcycle and left for Cali. Etc., etc., etc. Does it seem to you that these three married women would have chosen these lives for themselves and their children?

Perhaps you should talk to some single mothers to get some perspective. There's a lot of them around.

Bren:

The fact that many single parents do not choose to be in that situation is irrelevant as far as attacking Grothman's claim. Perhaps they should do some studies to compare the rates of abuse by those that chose to be single parents and those that didn't...

The point of what Grothman was making is that children are indeed more likely to be abused when they are in single parent situations. If we ignore the statistics because we don't want to offend single parents, then we are doing the children who are being abused a disservice.

As Grothman stated, "people certainly know there are single moms who are good parents and there are single moms who aren’t. But when the statistics show you’re 20 times greater -- in one type of family structure than another -- to cause a child to be a victim of sexual abuse, it’s something that ought to be out there."

Cow, I believe you are putting a better spirit into this than Sen. Grothman. If I understand his bill correctly, he is promoting marriage over single parenthood (in part for the reasons cited). I'm not sure what purpose his legislation serves other to vilify a population group that doesn't need any more abuse.

Have you actually read the legislation, Bren?

Once you cut through the politics and stop vilifying Grothman for being a Republican, you would realize that the purpose of the bill isn't to vilify single parents, it is to raise awareness and educate people.

I actually quoted Grothman directly in my comment. Not quite sure how I could have put it in a 'better spirit' than did Grothman.

@CowDung Your read of the legislation is exactly how I read it.... I wish more people would actually take 10 minutes to read the piece of legislation. It is very clean that it is designed towards marketing, education and prevention to an area of higher risk. In my opinion, that makes the most sense financially. Companies do targeted marketing all the time..... I would think that an air conditioning mfg would spend more money on advertising in Arizona vs Alaska. Not saying they will never sell one in the Alaska but they get more sales opportunites in Arizona obviously....

Cow, I have read it. But seriously, practically, who will be educated by this bill. Whose awareness will be raised? Will it soften the hearts of the ex-spouses who refuse (not can't) to pay child support? I do not think so. I have had discussions with this type of individual. I have presented the situation and asked if this is they type of life they want for their children. The extraordinary thing is the answer--which is no answer at all--which is a variation on a constant theme. She's a "bitch" and doesn't deserve child support. Especially if she has met someone else. And especially if he has met someone else, started a new family and wants nothing more than to forget past responsibilities. (The "bitch" is of course guilty because she wanted him to spend more time at home with the family he helped create, devote more funds to bill-paying, horrendous things like this.)

Women try to provide financial stability and security for their children, but it happens that a new husband or boyfriend adds many new problems.

There are single dads too, but it does not appear to be as much of a stigma as for single mothers, perhaps because they are fewer in number. Gender shouldn't matter. People should be responsible for their children.

This is why I iterate that my recommended solution is to beef up legislation that holds deadbeat parents responsible. If Sen. Grothman brought that forward I would laud him.

Bren:

The specifics of how the information is used rests with the Wisconsin Child abuse and neglect prevention board. They are empowered to influence budget and/or legislation that can create/strengthen child abuse prevention programs.

The information would also educate the people that are empowered to help identify possible abuse situations (teachers, coaches, doctors, nurses, religious leaders, parents, etc.), and protect children from abuse. Knowing that a child's home situation places them at a higher risk for abuse can be useful in getting that child help before it is too late.

@CowDung...When Grothman brought the proposal up before the Wisconsin Abuse Board, they rejected it. He decided to use his elected position to make an end run and introduced legislation. What he is pushing is correlation studies and doesn't indicate causality. There is much stronger correlation between poverty and abuse. Why isn't he insisting on that being pushed by the Abuse Board? Before defending him you need the full story. Grothman likes to sit in his mother's basement and make social justice decisions and legislation.

If poverty is already recognized as a factor in child abuse, is it really necessary to push legislation to draw attention to it? The 'twenty times more likely' number that Grothman and his stats indicate seems significant enough to not be ignored.

Correlation vs. causation really doesn't matter does it? A strong correlation should be enough to start raising awareness about the potential for abuse in those situations.

Cow, those constituencies are already very well aware of the situation. Basically this bill preaches to the choir. As I said, if Sen. Grothman came up with a bill that dealt with the fundamental issue--money--I would congratulate him.

Considering the amount of grief that Grothman is getting for bringing up the subject, and the outright disbelief of his claim (until he presented the stats to back up his claim), I really don't think that anyone was very well aware of the situation...

@Dora you are speaking in the first person when you talked about "this dimwit".. meaning you?

Healthcare is not a legitimite function of government.

What does that say about the Democrats symbol... an Ass?

She's probably a little bored sitting in the Huff-Po Professional posters room in NY City. Not enough blogging action today.

Steve, you should take a look at Daily Kos. I recommend a balanced information diet. You don't have to register to read it, but you do if you want to post comments.

Bren the moderate - I have been there in the past more than once, felt very dirty the entire time and was shocked anyone would believe the crap that winds up there. But I do believe you frequent the site after watching what you post here.

Steve, I'm sorry you felt "dirty" reading about opinions that disagree with your own. I'm not a fan of Fox because they often don't provide sources or their information comes from fallible partisan sources. However, assertions that are made provide points for objective research.

I don't always "like" what I read but I know I can't learn if I don't keep an open mind.

Who brought up Fox? Not that I watch Fox much as I don't have time for TV but the daily kos is far from a TV news network like Fox. It is left wing lies, internet opinion, and propaganda. Why even waste your time with that garbage?

Steve, Fox represents to me the extreme right as Dailykos does the extreme left. However, facts are facts. It's the voter's job to cut through the spin and find out the truth as best they can.

Mike, as if you care about Wisconsin?

@keith... I care about Wisconsin alot more that you.... and I bet I pay alot more taxes than you too.

To Tim &mike I think that you are just a are talking a lot of" BS "

@David Blake

Check Mimi and Dora's history of blog posts and you will see they blog all over PatchNation.... FACT

Women on the left are constantly referring to the right as women haters.... FACT

The Democrat Party symbol is an Ass.... FACT

So what is BS?

Jackass's helped settle our great country. What has an elephant ever done for the country ?

INSIGHT of the day: This is what a Huff-Po level site looks like. Much ado about nothing, name calling, junior high level posting. Liberals patting one another on the back - making ignorant comments, ignoring facts and reality.

Lyle - when it comes to the above mentioned - you are the Leader of the Pack.

@Tim Scott...I don't quite get your obsession with Huffington. Time will tell if it will survive or not. Somehow, in your world Huffington, AOL and the Patch are all channels of fallacy. I thought the general idea was to present perspectives and then readers have an opportunity to decide what is the truth and what is not. I call this the free market of ideas. Why are you so threatened by this?

@Tim Scott -- I beg to differ. HuffPo is indeed a very liberal spot, which is not the case on the Patch. There is a great deal of conservative back-patting here.

Ithink that you are the stupid person on this site with out a DOUGHT

Oh ya? Read your own comment :) Funniest comment I have read today.

Developing a taste for rallying, are we? ; ) Some like to criticize activism as a fringe activity, but I see it as patriotic engagement. Good for you!