Jim - you've gotten some bad information - Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax in order to constitutionaly pass the act as a whole.

@Steve -

None of what you've espoused in your comment appears in either the article or the attached commercial?

Where are you getting your information from - the Daily Kos?

Steve gets 100% of his information from the DailyKook, Sgt Schultz or the handsome Mr Maddow of PMSNBC.

James,

The headline states that Neumann takes aim at Obamacare. He has stated that he will try to repeal it.

I have never heard of the daily kos, but I do know of people that will benefit from aspects of the ACA.

@Steve -

So, where exactly does it state that Neumann supports the crap that you've espoused in your original comment on this board?

To the contrary, it would appear that Neumann advocates for reforms that would effectuate more affordable health care in this country.

Crap???

ACA protects consumers. Neumann protects insurers. Plain as the nose on your face.

It's about time that the health care freeloaders are held accountable. Or we can continue on the path from the past. Freeloaders get their care from the emergency room and the rest of us (not including you because "the hoffa" takes care of himself) has a raise in premiums to cover the freeloaders.

@Steve Ebbie.... Romney-care is Obamacare. Contrary to all the supporters in Massachusetts, every prediction related to spending,usage and better health proved to be wrong; premiums went up,not down;premiums went up at a faster rate than any other state in the USA;emergency room usage did not decrease by the predicted 7-10%, it ++increased++ by 7-10%;no measueable increase in the health of the average Massachusetts resident.

@Steve -

Yes I agree that the healthcare freeloaders should be held accountable, but Obamacare doesn't do that. What Obamacare in essence does is forces everyone into the system under threat of penalty, falsely premised upon the guise of making the freeloaders pay, just so that they can increase the number of freeloaders receiving government provided or subsidized health care! Why do you think the S. Court ruled that the individual mandate was a tax? Think!

As the implementation of Romneycare in Mass has proven, this does not decrease costs at all, but rather increases them for the vast majority of the people!

While some people may benefit from Obamacare, the overall whole of working people will be harmed by this bill. I don't call that a solution at all - I call it a joke!

If you want the freeloaders to pay, then enact and support legislation that does just that, as I've suggested here! But don't play-up the joke that is Obamacare!

Steve you are on the button . Notice how the republicans are for ever trying to divert attention from the real issues of priority to this nation. Health Care is very important since Teddy Roosevelt [R] first proposed it back in 1906. Now after a century Obama succeeded.! Some common sense is beginning to trickle down into our USA. LOL through the objections of the’ regressive party of NAY, NAY, no, no, type of leadership. I wonder if we are the last ones to incorporate National Health Care in the western civilized world? Regressive policies that the cronies keep shoving down our throats. It is high time for the average Joe to stand up for their rights and hold the cronies regressive actions accountable.
During this afternoon’s debate on the Republican bill to repeal the health care reform law, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld June 28, Democrats offered a measure opening the door for a vote on the Bring Jobs Home Act (H.R.5542). But Republicans blocked the measure by 238-184.
More useless bills the republicans choose to bring to the floor. Stalling on the real issues of the day. JOBS!! This is but one more example of how republican policies seek the “Party First” agendas. Note it is at the expense of the health of our nation, not just granny’s purse anymore but all of our nation. To regress us back to their monopolized health care insurance of yesteryear.

Steve read some of these comments. Whew! Ignore them as useless ranting of the cronies mob. Seeking regression for one and all. They are enthralled with their Pied Piper and his dancing prancing FOX. Exemplifies their low self esteem, they have been sold. Rabid lost cause..

@Bernard -

Where in our founding documents, or their amendments, does it state that National Health Care, as you call it, is a 'right' of the people?

Hoffa; Just where does it say in the constitution that we can not amend it? What a lame question. With that mentality it is easy to see why you would prefer us to go back to a monopolized health care insurance that has failed us all these many, many years. Oh yeah go back to when we use our ER’s for primary care with a 80% failure of patients paying their bills and have it transferred to the premiums of the monopolized health care insurance scam of the regressive party.. DUH,….!

@Bernard -

You're free to try and amend - but when people realize the cost involved in such an amendment, I don't think you're going to be too successful!

Where on this board does Hoffa advocate in favor of the insurance system? In fact, if you bothered to read any of my comments, you'd see that Hoffa despises insurance for U&C care, as it was only ever intended to cover catastrophic events.

Please, read my comments next time before you make yourself look like a fool by mischaracterizing Hoffa's position on a topic!

Hoffa- Jay your babbling nonsense, on the cost of Romney Care… Mass. Rose in Health Care Cost was lowest in the nation at 6% national average was 7%. Now in the rest of the western civilized world with Health Care LOL their cost is between 5 to 10 times LESS than ours ! Insurance companies will outsource major repair jobs whenever patient prefers it. Have them kick in a month of vacation and all expenses paid and then perhaps you’ll go. Negotiate!! HA, HA.. Some people without insurance are outsourcing their medical health care. Try to keep up and put your comic books away.
Hoffa now you agree we can amend the constitution and sputter even more nonsense. It will never work. Will not be successful. DUH it has already been made constitutionally correct. Republicans use it now to put up useless bills so they can keep the attention of the public from the real issues. JOBS, JOBS, since the Tea intoxicated republicans took over the house how many bills for Jobs? Anybody? One and that was tied to Granny’s purse strings and women’s rights medical issues. Other than that ZERO, ZIP NADA
Just listen in to Mitts last efforts for recruiting voters. When he stated that he will repeal Obamacare was instantly BOOOOED !! So much for your false propaganda Hoffa..

@Bernard -

I'd respond if I could understand the points you're trying to make!?!?

Try staying away from MSNBC - it's really starting to dumb you down!

@Bernard Forand.... Here is a Massachusetts 'Comic Book' with some 'babbling nonsense' and financial review of the Healthcare plan:

http://www.beaconhill.org/BHIStudies/HCR-2011/BHIMassHealthCareReform2011-0627.pdf

Jay not only apprehend what you read but comprhend it is required as well.
"Now that the law has been in effect for more than five years, we can begin to assess.".

It was understood from the beginning that there would be a surge as the Romney care is implemented. This report confirms this. That is all.
One interesting point they made was that the lack of supply to demand [ medical materials] are lower than the demand from patients for health is greater than cost goes up. KINDA of a DUH there. This requires a logistical continuous supply of materials which the parties responsible for the delivery of those supplies are dragging their feet. LOL I wonder why? With a National Health Plan we could hold these laggards responsible for their failures through competition on the International Free Trade markets .
It does expose the lengths that a monopolized insurance / pharmaceutical industry will go to destroy Health Care. Imagine instead of paying out to premiums where in as 45% of it goes to insurance administration. That would be reduced to less than 5% in a single payer system. Little wonder this Robber Barron monopoly is obstructing every step of the way.
Observe the western civilized nations that have Health Care have growing life expectancies while ours is going down. From Costa Rica to the shores of Europe. Our Health Care Industries are 5 to 10 times more expensive than theirs. Why not go there.People are! LOL outsourced !

Hoffa is what occurs when one is Tea intoxicated and is bitten by a rabid Fox., Note; the ever increasing inability of independent responsible replies and his duel personifications. Both of which manifest the same hypocrite with aristocratic tendencies. Same aristocratic mentality that in 1776 we declared our Independence, from such creatures. Now he remains lecturing us on his American ways. Hoffa, Say high to James for me. Give him my best..
As for Jay almost forgot on that thread you provided for Mass. Health Care that explains the surge in detail. One more thing you may want to check out, @pbs.org. They recently did an evaluation on the Mass. H.C. Interviews with Nurses, Doctors, ER’s, Small Businesses, and so on. Note my original statement remains. Mass. H.C. had a 6% rise in Health Care cost as the Nation had a 7% increase. Mass. H.C. is going down as we are going up please.

Send your helpful suggestion to the Obama campaign, Nick. In case you haven't noticed, they're running with that name for it now as well, now that they sense that it might be gaining favor.

Did you remember to send in your entry to win dinner with Barrack, Michelle and Anna Wintour? Should be quite the splashy little prize for the lucky winner.

Nick, don't confuse the American Ideal with the Socialist Ideal: fostering empathy by emptying out someone elses' pocket. Sounds downright un-American to me.

I really hope that Nick remembered to sign Barrack's on-line birthday card yesterday!

BTW - America was not built upon the notion of making the working class pay for those who are capable of working but refuse to do so.

Nicky- Gear Head-Hoffa.Nick is trying to slip and slide the credit for Obamacare to some made up avatar of his. Roberts was only following his job and finally made the correct decision. Like his idea of calling it a tax. One step closer to a single payer system. Although the Tea Intoxicated republicans will strut about crowing about a new tax. Where were they when they borrowed monies from S.S. and China to pay for their 2 wars of 9 years without exit plan and a blank check for the military industries. Who is going to pay for that. Yup right out of your pocket. Republican Socialism at work there. Not to mention the welfare they provide and refuse to stop subsidizing the top ten oil companies with record producing profits. Paid no taxes and received $Millions in tax refunds while collecting $ Billions in welfare! Yup republican Socialism in your pocket. Gear-head has few striped gears if he can not comprehend America is a Socialist country as well as he is. As for Hoffa; working class was not made to support those that can work and don’t. Yeah real swift there. What in the world is your point? When it comes to welfare you can not beat the cronies welfare system they have for themselves. Wall Street gets bailed out by Busch / Paulson 2008. Main street NOPE.. NADA ZIP- Zero JOBS,JOBS, nope they can’t see why they should invest in America’s Main Street, that bailed them out. Who is not doing their JOB. Wall Street Banking..!

Bernard is what happens when one overdoses on the Daily Kos!

Frivolous malpractice lawsuits may not be as common these days because of the level of 'defensive medicine' that is commonly being practiced. Doctors order bunches of tests that are medically unnecessary to cover their butts.

HSAs are commonly used to pay the higher deductibles that people tend to have these days, aren't they?

@Bren -

Frivolous malpractice suits are often settled before they even hit the courts due to the cost of litigation alone. If malprac isn't an issue anymore, as you claim, then why are malprac premiums for doctors still sky high? Lowering the expenses / overhead for doctors would help to lower the end cost of health care for everyone. We should go even further than Neumann suggests with caps and implement what's known as the English rule, whereby the losers in litigation must also pay for the winner's attorney fees, costs, and expenses, in addition to their own. Why are you so pro-lawyer's lobby and anti-doctor's lobby? Very curious indeed!

In fact, don't you give the reasons as to why we need to expand HSA's. As you know, Hoffa pays his own way direct in cash as he utilizes health care services instead of being part of the insurance system (a socialized institution). Right now, Hoffa uses a taxed segregated investment account to in which to save up for any unexpected future health care expenditures that may become necessary. More flexible HSA's would be welcome to people like me. And I wouldn't exactly call myself affluent as you did - I'm just frugal, personally responsible, and good about managing/stretching a dollar.

That's another thing that just pisses Hoffa off about liberals - they think that anyone who's liquid must be affluent. Nothing could be further from the truth and is an insult. Hoffa has friends making more than him that spend egregiously and live like slobs - but because they live paycheck to paycheck, you'd probably feel sorry for them. Most people that you call affluent are merely efficient, frugal, personally responsible, sacrificing, and good with a dollar. So drop the whole 'anyone with money is evil and against the working man' crap already!

Competition always has the effect of lowering consumer costs. So does decreased demand for a service - just look at satellite radio, as they practically have to give away the non new car subscriptions just to keep the doors of the business open because of competition and low overall consumer demand.

So, why not get rid of insurance all together for U&C, limiting coverage to catastrophic care only, as insurance was originally intended to work. For U&C, everyone can pay their own way direct as they utilize health care services, just as Hoffa does. It cuts out all the middle men - there's nothing more efficient and effective at lowering costs than such a model. But no, for some reason, you oppose this.

What we need are real reforms that center around individual personal responsibility. See my other suggestions above for how to deal with the so-called freeriders abusing the ERs.

Hoffa; what a complicated quagmire of corruption ladden loopholes.Some points you have made are rehash failed arguments that each and every one has been addressed. In the final analyst we remain at the mercy of a monopolized health care system that evolved to profit orientated priorities that cut short the patients ability to obtain quality medical procedures. Your English rule would require a debtors prison system for the victims of mal-practice that can not afford the legal cost to pursue the monopolized insurance lawyers. Now we have a cripple in jail or on the streets. Who is going to pay for all of this? Yup back to the premiums rising. Nice try but no cigar for you..
Simply put, the larger the consumer base of health care insurance, the lower the cost of Health Care. Observe the hundred or more of the western world civilized nations that have such a system and their reduced cost to health care. We have regressed on the worlds stage for a nation of health. Why even our life expectancies have and are dropping below those nations with National Health Care. From Costa Rica to England / France all are growing far more healthy than right here in the good old USA. Single Payer system would even be better. Its that simple it’s a KISS scenario once you get rid of the cronies greedy fingers out of our health.

Bernard -

Insurance is the problem, not the solution. Government is the problem, not the solution.

Hoffa actually supports a single payer government administered plan for catastrophic coverage only. U&C care should be paid directly by each individual as they utilize health care services. Eliminating the middle man would allow every dollar to go into health care.

And no, adopting the English rule would not disenfranchise any plaintiff's from their ability to file a legitimate malprac claim, as such cases would still be accepted by attorneys on a contingent fee arrangement.

Lay off the lefty-liberal Kool-Aid, it's really starting to effect your judgment!

A good old Hoffa with his lopsided nonsense. Insurance and the government are two main components required to obtain a solution to the Health Care and they are not the only ones. Medical and layers will be scurrying about between the two as they seek a solution. They are the problem?? Why because they seek a solution?? What an oxymoron statement. “They are the problem!” Sipping at that Tea again?
Then you suggest that lawyers will for some La La fantasy world notion, they will adjust their fee’s to client, so they can cover the cost of going after multi- corporate insurance regulators and their lawyers. What planet are YOU from. Lawyers are not going to go broke for your cause and beliefs as well as the cause and beliefs of their clients. Reality check. So YOUR proposed solution is STILL a redundant dead end. Now what of those with premature health issues that are derived from accidental means. Whether it be man made or a natural cause and they have issues that the insurances have and still do CUT quality care to patients for profits? What are they to sue with a LA LA type of lawyer that you say exist. LOL Tea party have a similar solution as what you are proposing http://youtu.be/6ik4f1dRbP8. As for T.V. About 2 hours or none per day. Mostly who done it stuff. Do not receive this mnbc just a fox 24/7 which is so boooooring just get the weather report. Prefer documentaries from PBS.ORG or BBC, World News and so on.

Cow, in my experience and among my acquaintance (over years), those with good health insurance get many more tests than those who don't have it. That's an issue. Are the tests needed or not?

Yes, HSAs (Health Savings Account) were set up to allow individuals with high-deductible insurance to save money for health-related expenses. Employers sometimes put seed money into the accounts for employees, too. The money can stay there indefinitely, tax free, until withdrawn. Until last year, the funds could be used to pay medical, dental expenses for family members; and also over the counter items (aspirins, bandaids, etc.) That is now changed for specific medical/dental expenses.

Mr. Hoffa, you're right. Frivolous lawsuits don't hit the courts. Therefore the cases that hit the courts are valid cases worthy of hearing. The malpractice award cap thus and only hurts people that have already suffered terribly due to egregious mistakes. Should a doctor that incompetent be practicing medicine? If so, you're welcome to him/her.

A national health care plan would lower costs for doctors, that's the best solution. Another opportunity to eliminate the for-profit insurance middleman. The government would be responsible for malpractice issues and in fact would get incompetent practitioners out of the system. Lower costs and more direct services across the board.

There's no need for catastrophic insurance under a national health care plan. Your taxes cover your medical costs, for the same cost as you pay now. No co-pays, no deductibles, no 20% out-of-pocket, no prescription co-pays. Doctors could set up private practices if they wished, taking cash customers (who could buy private insurance), or they could work in taxpayer-funded clinics where they would be guaranteed regular professional wages instead of constantly battling insurance companies for payment. Or they could blend the two, as some doctors do.

I'm interested to see how Obama-Romneycare works once fully enacted. I'm hoping that it is the step needed for every American to see that a national healthcare plan is indeed the best way to go.

If you want to see how well it's going to work, take a look at the Massachusetts. I'm not at all optimistic...

Cow boy and his dung; Where have you been. Mass.H.C. has risen by 6% as the Nations H.C. is rising at 7% your point of looking at Mass. IS???

@morninmist -

So then, what you're saying is that several Democrats are getting stupid and falling asleep?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/politically-vulnerable-democrats-plan-back-obamacare-repeal-191746511.html

BTW - The poll results show that over half of Americans still don't like Obamacare and/or are indifferent to it. Those who like Obamacare are still in the minority. A very inconclusive poll to say the least, but apparently, that's what you libs like to celebrate!

Jamie Boy; Once again spewing, vomiting your worthless propaganda. Polls show increasing support for Obamacare. Those that oppose it are being publicly BOOOOED. Example; Mitt Romney.. LOL could it be we are observing a trickle down scenario of intelligence? LOL be patient Hoffa it may yet come to you… Suggest you stray out into the world and leave your FOX den behind.