Editor's note: This is one of two stories we are writing about Monday's Racine County Economic Business Forum. Check back this afternoon to read about what the Legislators and business owners had to say.
A crowd of about 50 protesters chanted about jobs creation and taxing the rich in front of the Racine Marriott, 7011 Washington Ave., Monday morning.
Inside the hotel, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, (R-Janesville), State Rep. Robin Vos (R-Rochester), State Sen. Van Wanggaard (R-Racine), State Rep. Corey Mason (D-Racine) and other legislators spoke to business owners about those very topics.
Members of the postal and iron workers union, and a group called Wisconsin Jobs Now, protested while the summit was going on, they also met vendors from the Racine County Economic Development Corporation, Gateway Technical College and the Racine County Workforce Development Center.
One of the protesters, Randy Bryce, of Caledonia, has been out of work for a week and a half, but was laid off earlier this year for five months. As an ironworker, he says there is a lot of projects he could work on and he sees himself as a potential job creator if President Obama's jobs bill were allowed to pass.
"Giving tax breaks to companies really isn't working," Bryce said. "We got out of a Depression last time by investing in our infrastructure, we can do it again."
Speaking to a crowd of protesters, Bryce held a picture of a bridge on Highway 20 that goes over Sixth Street that is in disrepair.
"If we could only have good paying jobs, we could stimulate the economy," Bryce said.
Jackie Goebel, of Kenosha, has worked at Wal-Mart for 23 years.
She pointed out that the average starting wage for an associate is $8.75 compared to the $16,826 hourly wage Mike Duke, the CEO of Wal-Mart makes. The starting wage for associates isn't enough to pay for health insurance, she said.
"I had a co-worker of mine who had a toot ache," Goebel said. "I told him I would help him find a dentist that could help him at low or no cost and to give me a few days. He couldn't wait. He pulled his own tooth. And that's not the first time."
Goebel said Ryan's moral compass is pointed in the wrong direction, that corporations need to pay their fair share.
"He needs to stand up for people who are unemployed," she said.
As the group chanted, cars passed by and drivers beeped their horns. For about a half hour they protested. Then, some went inside the hotel restaurant.
"We have meal tickets," said. "We'll probably have extra."
Chris Wright
1:51 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
I am confused. I can't for the life of me think of a bridge on HWY 20 that goes over 6th street.
Chris Wright
1:58 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
By the way I saw the picture so I don't doubt it is in Racine, but Hwy 20/32 meet 6th street at grade level by city hall.
James R Hoffa
3:10 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
Wisconsin Jobs Now! is a complete joke and has lost all public credibility as far as I’m concerned. It has absolutely nothing to do with jobs in any way, shape, or form. It's merely a propaganda organization that is anti-Republican/conservative ideology and espouses support via its propaganda for the Democratic Party.
Don't believe me, just look at their web-site. There are no links to jobs-based web-sites, or tips on how to build a presentable resume, or a forum on skills that employers are currently looking for, or any of the other kinds of things you would expect from a group purporting to be about ‘jobs.’ And the only postings and comments you'll see on its facebook page are all political in nature and have nothing to do with jobs. All that they offer is smearing Republicans and praising Democrats.
For a group that claims to be about 'jobs,' they offer nothing in the way of supporting jobs or job creation. How does protesting at a business forum or at Paul Ryan's constituent services office help the ‘jobs’ environment at all? Isn't this group based in Milwaukee? I think it is. Why haven't they protested Gwen Moore’s offices at all? She misses and is absent for more key votes than any other member of Congress. At least Ryan shows up and does his job by voting, and thereby giving his constituents a voice, unlike the MIA Moore.
All about jobs my BUTT!!! Don't be fooled by this group or it's antics - you've been warned by Hoffa :-)
Brian Dey
3:41 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
There is a reason that all these idiots, and I do mean idiots, protest Republican functions. That is because they know that Obama, Kohl and the Dems have no clue how to create a job in the private sector. And hats off to the other idiots in the state, members of the UAW at Oshkosh Trucks that rejected yet another contract where all their demands were met, including 8% salary increases over five years and full company paid insurance and pension. I hope Oshkosh Trucks picks up and moves and all those wonderful union members will be out of jobs. Now you know why I don't feel sorry for union members. They are all a bunch of whining, ego-inflated hacks that most have the qualifications of a greeter at Wal-Mart. It is time that all unions be busted.
As for these protesters; get a job and work for a living rather expect anyone to do anything for you. Hand-outs is not what America is about and it is about high time that elected officials get that.
James R Hoffa
4:05 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
Private sector unions have their place, and I strongly advocate for them. However, I agree that a disconnect exists today in the private sector unions that needs to be properly addressed at the leadership level. Hoffa understood this and treated management more like part of the team, unless and until he deemed management to be acting completely out-of-line and unfairly, which he responded to appropriately. The attitude prevalent in most private sector unions today pits the workers against management and vice-versa. And Obama playing class warfare doesn't help the situation any either. It's this attitude coupled with poor leadership that is facilitating the downfall of the UAW an private sector unions in general. What I can't figure out for the life of me is why the UAW supported both NAFTA and the proposed South Korean FTA. Didn't they learn anything from NAFTA? And yet the membership continues to vote for and support current leadership.
Instead of spending money supporting political causes, the UAW and other private-sector unions would be better off using their member's dues on purchasing stock in the companies that their workers have a vested interest in and gaining some seats on the board. Why they haven't figured this one out yet is also beyond my comprehension.
Brian Dey
4:27 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
Sorry Mr. Hoffa, but I usually agree with you but on this, I must strongly disagree. unions of all kinds have become bully pulpits that have cost thousands their jobs, put once great American companies out of business, and are merely a political arm of the liberal, democratic party.
Unionism is in the purest sense, un-American, as it promotes "socialistic" themes. Today's union does nothing for an employee other than protect bad employees. The marketwill dictate wages and benefits. If you don't offer enough, you will not get quality workers to make products or provide services. Market should always be the determining factor of a vaiable business.
The number one reason for the loss of manufacturing jobs isn't greedy rich owners, but unions that jack up the cost of products and services beyond what the consumer will pay as long as there are cheaper alternatives of the same quality. To blame corporate boards and executives is ludicrous. Executives usually work off a base salary and stock options. Those stock options are what create the wealth but the stock price is also what measures the success of the executive and incentivizes him/her to perform at the top of their game in order to become one of those rich executives.
James R Hoffa
5:37 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
But couldn't private sector unions be considered market participants themselves? Look at the way they used to cannibalize each other back in the heyday of the labor movement just to increase their membership ranks, much like a larger business buys out a smaller competitor to gain market share in specific segments. Perhaps they are more capitalistic in nature than you presume. They identify a demand, labor, organize it, and provide the supply to businesses at negotiated terms in exchange for dues (compensation), albeit in a 'non-profit' fashion. That sounds pretty capitalistic to me.
If they are so serious in their motives though, I don't know why they don't press for co-operative ownership in the areas in which they have influence and then compete with the quasi-cooperative in the free market for market share.
Free market economics work great in a system wherein everyone plays by a similar set of rules. However, when you have outliers that don't play those rules, such as Mexico, China, India, African Nations, etc., but allow them to play in the system regardless, the doctrines of minimizing costs to maximize profits dictate re-locating your business to nations where you're able to exploit labor, regulations, etc. And unfortunately, we're too big of country to expect that we can operate with a specialized economy such as smaller nations like Switzerland are able to do. We need a strong industrial/manufacturing base, but it shouldn't be a race to the bottom to have one.
Brian Dey
5:54 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
Not really as they have two things that are not capitalistic and that is; they eliminate competition by placing restrictions in their contracts that one must be a union member to work at that particular company. 2. The whole idea of capitalism is profit, and unions, despite it being in their best interests, do not worry about the company's bottomline.
I do agree with you on trade agreements and unless a country is inline with free market and free trade, under the same rules that govern us, there should not be a trade agreement. Further, if there is a deficit, than there should be in the agreement a way that the deficit is eliminated and a time table, along with harsh sanctions for violation. Then they must be enforced.
It seems we forgot about enforcement with many of these agreements.
Milwaukee Ironworkers
1:07 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
LOL - It was a jobs rally. If everyone had jobs, nobody would have been there.
It was a bipartisan panel, and, both sides answered the questions.
I thanked Jim Ladwig (R) for his help in working on job creation in Racine County.
To think this was just a protest against the Republicans really shows an element of being very out of touch.
James R Hoffa
11:45 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Milwaukee Ironworkers - If you read the 'editor's note' concerning this story, you'd realize that it was covered in two separate parts. This part had to do with the protestors who were outside the summit, which the story indicates were against Republicans and the conservative agenda. Ergo, the comments being posted here.
The second part of the story concerned what actually happened inside the summit and can be found here - http://caledonia.patch.com/articles/not-much-business-beyond-taxes-at-economic-forum. As you can see, there is a separate comment board for that part of the story.
T Van Parys
3:41 pm on Monday, October 10, 2011
Many of these "protesters" here, in Chicago, on Wall Street, etc. believe the answer is to picket, shout, threaten, blame republicans and so on. It's easier than taking some responsibility for their situation. How about this? Buy American! Oh yes, it's cheaper to buy from China and just blame Bush...
GearHead
9:50 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
If the protesters redirected a fraction of their effort into something positive, like starting their own business, they'd quickly learn how much fun it is working all the time and hoping you make a buck at the end of the year. But nooooooo, it's way too easy to blame Bush and Walker instead. What a bunch of losers on parade. Are they complaining about the "obscene" profits taken by Michael Moore for his films that slam free enterprise at every turn? Yeah, right.