I too am all for recalling Walker and have donated to help the effort form SoCal. We are all behind you Wisconsin. Throw the bum out!

Jerry, I live in California and I too will contribute to Walkers recall so maybe Bob McBride would like to contribute to my governor as well.

Keep sending money, Oscar. Sure, I'll contribute to your Governor, just like I'm gonna with Jerry's. Now write those checks and mail them out to the Recall Walker campaign!

Oscar - Are you sure you want to spend your hard earned money to this insipid union inspired cause? I believe the golden state is not so golden these days - should be called the IOU state - which was brought on by?

Ima Hippee:

Please know that we, in California, are taking solid steps to clean up the mess left behind by the eight-year reign of our last (Republican) governator. AND - we are sending money to WI to help Recall Walker.

Just to keep everyone up to date on the Koch vs. Soros comparioson - here is an analogy.
Soros donates a "dime" and says who he is and what he supports.
Koch brothers give a "dollar" to secret groups and hide behind candidates.

California government is in this situation because of their stupid assed 2/3 rule to pass a tax increase, the same one Walker wants for Wisconsin wants. No idea is too stupid for our Scooter.

Good to see the Daily Kos liberals finding local Patch articles. You're union leaching has been broken, game over.

Art from Buffalo - it is spelled Koch. Rhymes with Soros. Geore Soros.

Talk is cheap, Art. Support = Money sent into Recall Walker. Do it today. Our goal is $162MM in out of state cash inflow to our state to pay for fear-bating promotional materials and food and lodging (complete with a hot shower - not mandatory, but highly advised) for the troops on the ground. So get that donation out, post haste!

Funny, if Walker was so close to the Koch brothers he surely would have known his voice.

Art, you'll have to forgive Bob, he doesn't get out of the house much. If he did, he'd realize that all the people working at the north shore recall HQ are familiar faces, VOLUNTEERING to recall Walker.

And he doesn't read much, because he would be aware that right now Scooter is working all the enclaves of the predator capitalists to raise millions to save his sorry behind.

And, Keef, I'm working your side of the fence. If we're gonna have this thing, then we should clean up on it with money from the outside just like we did last time. Except more, because this is the Mother of all Mulligans this time around. So please, all you out of state folks, send in your Bingo winnings, that buried treasure betwixt the couch cushions, the quarters with the french fries stuck to them from under the front seats of your Kia Rio. Whatever you got, we want it - we need it. Recall Walker has a lot of doom and gloom to spread via various forms of media, and that costs money. So do it today. Send whatever you can to Recall Walker. Keef, give the folks a tinyurl with all the contact info they need!

Carol, I wouldn't invest so much time on James Hoffa and Steve/Allen. They see the writing on the walls for Walker and are putting up a 'tough' last stand. Privately, they're pi_sing down their legs. They know the governors days are numbered.
Every progressive should know with these 'teabagger-fac_ist-win_nuts, not much in the way of logic sticks. And when they get too close to the truth, they 'pivot' to avoid the obvious. What they know and what their good at is how to rant.
Bottom line is they're frustrated that the 'recall' is a done deal and Walker is toast. They're also scared because all the screaming, 'socialist', muslim, 'not a citizen of the US, etc... hasn't derailed Obama and with the current gop contenders, they know it's 4 more years of President Obama.

hoffa, till you can figure out your real name, please don't insult the intelligence of others!

@Hoffa

Here's further proof that you and those like you are totally misinformed. There's a storm a brewing, which will sweep the nation and bring about real change.. The GOP-TP ARE the problem as outlined in this brief sampling of a 4 page letter being sent to the largest wall street corporations from the Top Lobbying Firm in the Nation... They are quaking in their boots and rightfully so. Lobbying Firm Clark, Lytle, Geduldig, Cranford wrote;
Leading Democratic party strategists have begun to openly discuss the benefits of embracing the growing and increasingly organized Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement to prevent Republican gains in Congress and the White House next year. We have seen this process of adopting extreme positions and movements to increase base voter turnout, including in the 2005-2006 immigration debate. This would mean more than just short-term discomfort for Wall Street firms. If vilifying the leading companies of this sector is allowed to become an unchallenged centerpiece of a coordinated Democratic campaign, it has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye.

It shouldn't be surprising that the Democratic party or even President Obama's re-election team would campaign against Wall Street in this cycle. However the bigger concern should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies -- and might start running against them too.

Now What Smart Guy!

Yeah, they are better than those of the Congress, so what? This discussion wasn't about Obama, it is about Walker and the recall. Nice Fox News strategy though Hudson...deflect and go to another subject, so "right-wingy" when your points of persuasion are hollow and lacking factual substance.

they're low, but nothing compared to every repug in congress. and it President Obama to you, 'bagger.

Obama's Poll numbers just as his IQ far out weigh those of GW Bush in his finest hour. So your point is?

David Blane - what is the IQ for Obama? All of his academic records are sealed. Not sure why, if he is so smart, I think he would want to share his fine academics. We do not know his IQ.

But, we do know his teleprompter is pretty smart.

@Ima, if you knew anything about being accepted to an ivy league college, you could appreciate the level of difficulty. I believe it is safe to say and MANY people would agree that his IQ is higher than yours.

People, people, stop roughing up the yahoos.

I also respectfully differ with the opinion that all corporations are evil and that we all live with no freedom under a dictatorship owned by a ruthless 1%.

The last time I checked I could still walk around my own neighborhood whenever I please, run a small local business that helps people, support other local businesses, and do whatever I want in my own home at night without any evil corporate executives or billionaires busting in and telling me what to do.

Your hyperbole sounds about as rational as lunatics who claim Obama is a covert Islamic operative for Kenya. I prefer to engage in critical thinking and side with reason instead of picking a team to follow.

@Hoffa,

You want name calling. You are clearly a bully. And a clueless one at that.. Where on earth did you get your figures? No, I say again to you, 60% is not nearly for the 10% to pay in taxed when they control 87% of the Nations wealth. The top wage earners dodge billion in unclaimed taxes. I already submitted the figures. But here are some more fact for your to mull over. These com right form Senator Coburn (R) himself. The rich have their entitlements that are swept under the rug and kept from the American people. !8.15 Million was paid to the richest Americans for "Child Care Tax Credits". 74 Million was paid in "Unemployment Benefits to Millionaires" 89 Million was paid to Millionaires for "Preservation of Ranches & Estates" 316 Million was paid in "Farm Subsidies" to the wealthiest farmers in the Nation. 608 Million was paid in "Business Entertainment Deductions" for Millionaires. 9 Billion in Retirement Checks. 21 Billion was written off by Millionaires for "Gambling Loses" and 28 Billion was paid out for "Mortgage Breaks for Mansions, Vacation Homes & Yachts" for millionaires. This is the tip of the iceberg. Doesn't take into consideration the billions
in Tax Payer Loss to give subsidies to the Oil Companies, or the huge corporations who pay ZERO in taxed like GE...

So I say again to you... Justify that Hoffa...

@Dave -

When did I ever assert that I was pro-government subsidies or tax loop-holes? NO WHERE! In fact, if you even bothered to read any of my posts, you'd quickly learn that I'm very much against those things.

Your problem is that you assumed things about me based solely upon my support of Governor Walker. Well Dave, you know what they say about making assumptions about people, don't you? If not, look it up - only try to find an un-biased source for a change!

@Hoffa,

Just saying that you support Scott Walker, who is clearly a stooge for the manipulating Koch Brother's who are funding his efforts to bust unions and who are spearheading efforts to abolish the EPA all across the nation, makes you one of the misinformed self righteous folks who are more part of the problem and less part of the solution. Assuming you are smarter and more informed and you "opinion" somehow make you smarter everybody else on this thread shows me that you are the one making an @ss of yourself. You are actually laughable when you spout & tout right wing semi-facts and half truths meant to mislead and confuse or twist issues form their original meaning while smugly patting yourself on your back with "I told them" attitude. Take a look here my misinformed friend;

http://inspirationgreen.com/koch-brothers-products.html

Facts are facts.. face up the the truth. The Koch Brothers and their ignorant minions that do their bidding like Walker in Wisconsin, Kasich in Ohio, Snyder in Michigan, Scott in Florida and Daniels in Indiana.. will all be voted out by the people they have stepped on to advance the destruction and bank accounts of the rich and greedy. I'll net you claim to be a Christian too huh?

@Dave -

http://millermps.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/how-you-can-boycott-the-kochs/

Hmmm…., there sure are a lot of Wisconsin union-labor made products on that list! 'Solidarity,' and 'brotherhood' - apparently just for public sector union members who are so very quick to sell out their brethren in the private sector just so they can advance their own political agenda!

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260979/wisconsin-state-employees-should-have-some-koch-and-smile-christian-schneider

http://www.modernconservative.com/metablog_single.php?p=5420

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2698923/posts

http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/08/01/steelworkers-ratify-paper-industry-master-agreement/

If you don't see this as being extremely selfish or representing the absolute height of hypocrisy, then you my friend are living in extreme denial and definitely need to wake up and stop relying upon the Daily Kos as your sole source of information!

BTW – See how my sources come from across the politically biased media and news spectrum – both left and right? That’s what people, especially REAL independents, do when they want to find the real TRUTH and FACTS. Maybe you should try it sometime!

@ Hoffa,

Nice.. your disrespect for America is only trumped by your obvious disrespect of women. So typical of the GOP-TP! You righties are so full of yourselves and think your views are the only valid opinions allowed. How on earth could you possible think that you are intitled to speak to women or bully them or demand anything from them is at all tolorable. Just because your wife, if you have found a woman that would put up with you, allows to to treat her in this disrespectful manner, dosesn't make it ok..

I say, you are done here.. Here is a taste of your own bitter medicine! Pick on someone your own size. You are not allowed to spew any more BS on this thread.. Now, shut off the computer and go to your room without any dinner for being a brat and bully.. How does that sit with you mr. tough guy? :-)

@Hoffa,
Now you unleash the childhood name caling and schoolyard taunts.. I must be hitting a nerve there eh buddy? You are not wothy of anything but slinging your ignorant rants and right wings talking points. Pitty. And for a minute there I was starting to feel sorry for you becasue most of the good Americans that you are attacking are attacking back with a vengence. Now however, I am convinced that you are just a sorry selfish self serving anti-American and not the brillient awesomeness you have no problem bragging to be..

@David Blane-Very typical of the left to constantly attack ones integrity just because they are different or choose not to follow your way of thinking. Is that all you have? Because where I live I've yet to find someone who does not respect what Walker is trying to do. You and your side claim the middle class has been attacked!! Well I am part of the middle class working for an awesome corporation who pays me very well and set to get a raise in Jan of 2012 and WE ARE NON UNION!! So as a middle class tax payer you the union brain washed individual are attacking me and telling me the taxpayer I must pay more!!!
Sorry but I will not!!!

@Dave, how wonderful for you, but in this world one person sample sizes don't really amount to much when it comes to painting a demographic picture. Facts are facts and the middle class is getting kicked in the balls. They kinda notice and the next few years those with brains will be rising up against the abuse.

I know many people like you who were riding high one year and are now down in the dumps.

My apology for the digression. I will reiterate my support for the Scott Walker recall, and urge everyone to contribute to the recall fund, as I did.

ON, Wisconsin!

And I'll make another donation to your Governor's reelection campaign. Isn't this thinking you know more about what's going on in a particular state than the residents of that state and sticking your nose in where it doesn't really belong fun, Jerry?

Oh yeah, and "Go Big Toe!"

I know you've already closed your mind to one side of the argument, but I'll respond anyway. The conflict on interest inherent in public unions funding and campaigning for politicians that green-light their compensation plans at the expense of the other 90% of taxpayers is patently obvious. Add in all the veiled threats about the consequences for even questioning the unions (like maybe your child won't survive the next time disaster strikes if we have a small spending cut) and it becomes extortion. Add in the striking power and rules those bought politicians write mandating that work that may be done more efficiently by the private sector can only be performed by union workers, and it becomes racketeering.

Both sides of aisle look about the same to me in terms of their corruption and greed, and I don't feel any need to spare either criticism. It's a relief to see someone actually try to confront one of them. I guess that makes me an ignorant independent in your eyes. But I'd say it takes a lot more brains and willpower to make your own way in life than to fall in with the biggest group you can find and blindly follow. We'd still be in the Dark Ages if nobody decided to independently explore heretical science and philosophy, offending ruling parties and commoners alike.

Just a simple question...what if the lobby group is a cause you support?

Lately those groups don't stand a chance against the flood of predator coporate money.

I appreciate your defense of my posts, Carol.

I'm appalled at the ignorance of these characters who deny your every point with zero substance. It's the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" retort all over again. Gosh I miss the third grade.

My fave is the nut case who keeps saying he will contribute to Lynn Scott's campaign to counter my contribution to Scott Walker's recall. LOL, Lynn Scott is a multi-millionaire thief who literally bought the governorship of Florida with his own money! The thought of some poor schuck in Wisconsin sending him money to teach little old me a lesson is too funny.

My money will hopefully assist in Walker's recall. That flake's money (I can't remember his name) will go right down Lynn Scott's money chute and never be seen again. No amount of money in the world will get him back into the Governor's seat!

Take care, Carol. Keep up the good fight.

Jerry, I'd never really donate any money to any politician, but just as with Carol I encourage you to short yourself a couple of Ensures a week if necessary to pour more and more money into the Recall Walker campaign. It'll make you feel like you're actually doing something, and we'll benefit from your funds coming into our state. We've got quite the little racket going up here now. After netting about $81MM with the Senate recalls, we're looking for even bigger pay dirt with the Walker thingie. No donation is too large or too small, Jerry. Just keep it coming.

@Carol -

Thanks for finally answering the question - you get a cookie!

Hoffa's all for fair trade over free trade, but I don't think taxation is the way to go about doing it.

Also, hard to put your tax positions in perspective without knowing the whole picture, but they do seem kinda of hard and leaning towards penalizing success.

But the real question here, Carol, is - do you actually put your own money where your mouth is? Let’s find out!

What is the make and model of your current vehicle?

What? I think, by reading your posts, you want "fairness"? Why should ANYONE have to pay 50% in taxes unless EVERYONE pays 50% in taxes? You can incorporate and take advantage of those loopholes too. Start and run a business. You want to set capital gains to 35%? So, when a lower or middle class person sell their house, they get whacked with a 35% tax? That certainly isn't going to help them keep any wealth. Corporations shipping jobs offshore pay more? Like GE, who has their CEO appointed to a government position and then ships all their jobs overseas?

@Martin -

Hoffa is against ALL loop-holes. Taxes should be paid by everyone from the utterly destitute to the mega wealthy. But Hoffa also believes that no one's combined tax burden should ever exceed the maximum threshold of 40% of one's wealth/income - EVER!!!

Hoffa's tax mantra: Everyone gets to play, so everyone should have to pay!

@Martin -

BTW - Don't fall for the whole Warren Buffet mis-direction tactic either. Cap gains tax vs. income tax. Not to mention that Buffet purposefully structures his earnings to minimize his overall tax burden and is currently disputing billions in back due and owing taxes with the IRS.

Having clarified that issue, Hoffa does believe that cap gains taxes should be higher than individual personal income tax rates, but should be taxed at no more than 15%, whether such gains are realized short or long term.

Hoffa's proposed federal tax code (subject to revision):

Federal Sales Tax (applicable to ALL transactions): 1.5%

Federal Income Tax (applicable to all gross income and eliminates income adjustment - deductions, exemptions, itemized write-offs, loop holes, eit credits, etc., except in limited circumstances as is necessary to facilitate fairness):

$0 - $125,000 - 8%
$125k - $250k - 12.5%
$250k - $750k - 17%
$750k+ - 21.5%

Federal Cap Gains Tax (short & long term, bracket neutral): 15%

Federal Corp Profit Tax Non-Manufacturing (offset only by legitimate losses for up to 3 years carried forward): 18%

Federal Corp Profit Tax Manufacturing (offset only by legitimate losses for up to 3 years carried forward): 15%

All other federal taxes, with the exception of the federal excise taxes on petro fuels, alcohol, and tobacco products and trade tariffs/taxes with unfair trading nations, will be eliminated.

No, I encourage you to keep dumping more money into campaigns, Carol. I'd particularly like you to dump as much as you can into the Walker Recall campaign. In fact if it means you have to cut back on a couple of cans of Ensure each week to be able to do so, I encourage that. Particularly for the Walker Recall campaign. Donate a lot, donate often.

It's becoming quite the cottage industry here. We'll happily take your money, Carol. Keep it coming. You get the satisfaction of thinking you actually did something important, and we get the loot. It's a win/win.

@Carol -

In the immortal words of a beloved Patch commentator:

Who is "Kaisch in Indiana?"

Proof positive that Walker is working for Wisconsin!

How can anyone argue with those kind of results!!!

these numbers came from the it's working americans for prosperity site paid for by the koch bros

All the more reason Walker will be successful with this recall.

Actually not from Americans For prosperity, but I can give you an article from The Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel...
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/90546309.html

@Carol -

I'm the one "with the inane and quite frankly, stupid remarks... ."

But Carol, you're the one who said this:
"I supported the effort to stop union busting my Kaisch in Indiana."

Who is Kaisch, and what exactly does he do in Indiana?

@Gregory -

That's strange, I didn't realize that Kasich was the Governor of Indiana. I always thought he was the Governor of Ohio, no?

And last I checked, Mitch Daniels was the governor of Indiana, right?

You know, Carol is the hard fact person who’s never wrong, so I guess I’ll defer to her assertion that “Kaisch” is in fact the governor of Indiana, who ever “Kaisch” is.

Perhaps Carol could provide us some proof in backing up her assertions! After all, she has the “real expertise.”

Don't worry folks.. @ Hoffa is just too awesome for the likes of anyone else on this string. Don't believe me just ask him. Bullies like him are a dime a dozen and can be found cowering in the shadows of their overbearing fathers all across the land.

@Dave Blane -

Thanks for thinking I'm "just too awesome" - that's great!

I really like you too!

Did you donate to the Recall Walker effort yet? They need lots of money, so if you could just refinance your home and send those proceeds into the Recall Walker campaign, I'm sure you'd be helping to make a big difference in standing up to republican and Koch Bros corruption.

Stop talking and act today - send the Koch Bros a message they won't soon forget.

Heck, borrow the money from that loan shark down the street named Vito if you have to, it will all be worth it! Even you lose a couple of knee caps, you’ll be able to tell your children that you took a stand against Koch corruption. And trust me Dave, there’s no better feeling in the world than that!

@ Hoffa

HAHAHAHAHA you are joke and your goofy taunts are laughable. I didn't say you are awesome.. I said Hoffa says Hoffa's awesome. In Hoffa's own mind he truly thinks he's superior.. HAHAHAHAHA aso, speaking of yourself in the third party isn't just nutty, it's down right weird. Wait a minute.. Is that you Marcus Bachmann pretending to be Hoff's? Ironic too that you use the name of a Union leader. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Walker will be recalled and there's nothing that you with your snide bullying or the corrupt Koch Brothers Billions can do about it. Oh yes, even though there are people like you out there sabotaging the effort, but futilely I might add. They have crooks from Walkers goon squad, people like you Hoffa, who are applying for official ballots to collect signatures just to throw the ballots away and not turn them in to be counted.. Because you see, that's the only way the GOP-TP can gain in any sort of election or contest is to cheat, lie and fear monger.. Sorry to tell you though, the effort is already so successful, they can throw away all the ballot's they chose and it won't make a difference. The effort as collect over 150,00 signatures in the first 24 hours. That about 20% of the needed amount. SO I say again, Scott Walker will be recalled and there isn't a thing you or he or anybody else can do about it. Bet you're proud of the way your side cheats too huh? Don't go away mad now Hoffa... Just go away!

Ratz! I made a mistake. Kasich is Ohio's gov. My bad.

Jerry, seriously, I don't care about your commitment to anything but sending more money to the Recall Walker campaign. Neither does the Recall Walker campaign, but they'll play along with you on your varied "commitments" if it means they can expect more from you in the future. I'm just a little more honest about it than they are.

And yes, I'm dead serious. Contribute more to the Recall Walker campaign. It's all about the Benjamins, Jerry, and we'll gladly have them spent here rather than down there. The Dells just can't compete with Disneyworld, Jerry, and we'll take whatever we can get from you folks in the Big Toe.

I'm not trying to shake your resolve, Jerry, just a few more $$$ out of your wallet. Make it rain up in heah, Jerry. Make it rain.

jerry, don't listen to unsilent bob and fake hoffa! theyre just jealous that their own gop/tp party can't get along with themselves. trust me they will be in shambles before it's all said and done! that's why chris christy said no when they practically tried to hand him their nomination!

Carol, do you understand that mcbride guy at all?

He can't seem to shut up about me giving money to the Walker recall fund, but he expresses himself by saying "give, give, give, we can use the money" as though he believes I will somehow feel foolish? I just don't get it.

Is he trying to make an argument about cross-state support? He did say something in one response to me about "not knowing anything about Wisconsin", or something like that. Geez, I'm totally stumped.

Perhaps he is not too bright. He refers to Florida as "The Big Toe". Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Jerry, just keep sending money. Don't want you to feel foolish if it means you're not gonna send more money. In fact, the less you think about it the better. Just do it.

Never heard of the Big Toe, Jerry? Google it, Jerry...it's out there.

Hey, we need some ditch diggers up North here. Life isn't fair. Not everyone gets to go to college. I was fortunate. I got student loans, I went to Tech School. I paid my loans back. I got a good job. I went back to college and my company picked up 75% of the tab. Got my degree. Still have the same good job and no student loans to pay off. Maybe some of the whiny OWSers could try some hard work rather than spend all their time crapping on cop cars begging for debt forgiveness?

Okay, I'm outta here. That mcbride flake has bored me to tears. Keep up the good fight, Carol.

Come see me on Huffington Post sometime. EvasDaddy.

Night.

@Carol -

You only get half points here.

Traditional domestic brand and American UAW assembled - good for you!
But Mazda designed and licensed platform with a Mazda designed and Mexican built power-train - shame on you!

There were better choices available that are more American and more pro-union and you should’ve known better!

For comparison purposes, Hoffa puts all of his money where his mouth is because he’s a very conscious consumer –

2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo
Traditional domestic brand and assembled with pride in Detroit, MI!
4.7L Power-Tech push-rod V8 built in Detroit, MI
5 Speed Chrysler Transmission built in Kokomo, IN
It’s about as American and union-friendly as you can get!

@Bob -

Loved your efforts tonight! Looked like a lot of out-of-state folks tonight (some of whom may have been drinking a little too heavily). At least they provided us the opportunity to use alan’s now infamous line :-)

You are disgusting and non patriot for your failing country.

Ed-Heads and Huffers, James. I'm all for tapping their wallets so that our local economy gets a nice little boost over the holiday season. Of course I don't believe half of them have more than a couple of bucks to spare, but it all spends and it they're willing to forgo an early-bird special or two so that Recall Walker can run a few more sepia toned doomsday ads or pay some local printer to run off a few hundred thousand mailers with pictures of bedraggled looking school age children selling apples next to their former teachers on an inner city street corner or whatever, I'm all for it.

@Bob -

I hear that! As Sinatra says, they can send all of their money "our way!"

@Carol -

You must have missed the part where I very clearly stated that I fairly recently (ie - within the last two years) completed my schooling - so yeah, I graduated in 2008 when the economy had just blown up and tanked to an even lower point than where it is now. And minimum wage is actually higher now than it was when I was going through under-grad so the kids now would have an easier time of doing it than I did. They just have to do it instead of being lazy – that’s the reality of it!

@Carol -

Wisconsin has the 8th highest property tax burden and the 10th highest per capita spending by the state government in the nation! With that kind of spending, we should be in the top 5 of every measurable criteria out there - but we aren't. We aren't getting good value for our tax dollar. Taxes need to go down and government needs to become more effective and efficient with all the fraud, waste, and abuse eliminated – and it needs to happen now!

Walker’s taken steps in the right direction, but he still has a long way to go!

@Wise Centaur -

You just proved that you can cut and paste all of the class warfare liberal talking points and click on the ‘submit’ button! Good for you - I bet you feel proud of yourself! But for your next trick, why don’t you try actually thinking for yourself for a change. That would really impress all of us even more!

James is bored. And lonely. Rightfully so.

@Carol -

That's fine. Go ahead and get a few more insultive jabs in before retreating to your safe harbor of the Daily Kos.

We'll see who's laughing when Walker not only survives this recall effort, but is re-elected to 4 more years!

@Carol -

Denmark is also very small - both in population and total land mass. It's an apples and oranges comparison.

Not to mention that Denmark is currently a mess - they currently hold the highest mortgage debt per capita in the industrialized world and have an ever increasing public debt situation that they are trying to contain.

Funny that you mention right-to-work together with Denmark, because it's an absolute right to hire and absolute right to fire nation, all without cause. Would you also want us adopting this policy over here in the states and especially in Wisconsin? But wouldn’t that contradict your pro-union stance? What’s the deal here Carol, you’re not being very consistent.

Maybe you should take some time and try researching beyond the liberal blog opinion pieces, hey?

@AWD-Very well said!!! Straight to the point!!! Sitting here reading all of these posts I am just amazed at how ignorant some people truely are. Its about time Me as a taxpayer finally has a voice!! I am sorry that all of you left wing, public secotr union supporting individuals have finally been exposed!! This whole recall Walker is a complete waste of time not to mention a HUGE waste of money. But it seems the left enjoys wasting money especially when its not their money.
It just amazes me, during the last election the people spoke, the left unable to come to terms with that has to start all this crazy drama and recall proceedings. Again the people will once again speak and when Walker remains in office I am curious to see what their next move will be.

@Sharp-So what your saying Walker has something to do with the cost of an education? Personally I feel the high cost of a college education is directly related to the far left sitting professors and those involved with providing the education. These univerities have individuals making high 6 figure incomes with lavish benefits not to mention awesome retirement packages. So yes its time that public sector workers pay their fair share period!! Gov Walker choose not to include police and fire as they are truely individuals that deserve a good wage. Not that teachers are not entitled to make a decent living but they should also be evaluated on performance not senoirity!!!

Whoa. Wait a minute. How much has gasoline gone up in the last 10 years? How much has bread, milk and cereal gone up in the last 10 years? How much have wages gone up in the last 10 years? What are the Danes cost of living? How much do they pay for gas? $5.93/gallon. http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/ Gas in Venezuela is 12 cents a gallon. What's minimum wage there?

Check the facts about Denmark. They conducted a survey in 2007 which stated that Denmark had 5,253 homeless people. Mostly in and around Copenhagen.
http://www.udenfor.dk/uk/Menu/News/The+number+of+homeless+people+in+Denmark
I could prolly find more recent statistics regarding this, but I try not to stay too long on the PC...wife gets upset! I have a couple of good friends who live in Norway and they say homeless people are everywhere.

@KL Out -

Huff Po? I would never go to that communist rag of a web-site claiming to be a news source. It's about as credible as Pravda!

kl, you are a conservative that i can respect!

you got that right! but you forgot about bob the disbarred lawyer

yes, einstein, that's what OWS is all about. so, this is what happens to your brain on faux news!

@Oscar -

Apparently that pubic education didn't serve you very well - it's spelled 'Fox News.' And it's just as reliable as MS-NBC. What exactly was the point that you're trying to make, other than your poor spelling?

I agree on the block party, but even before he comes home it's going to be awkward for you, Christine. Like most lefties you assume that eventually everyone is going to come around to seeing things your way. You've got more than just the Walker family itself to contend with.

As for the collective sit-down on the bridge, most folks (those who aren't obsessed with being victims, those who go through their daily lives and don't blame everybody else for their troubles, those who don't fancy themselves knowledgable about all things political because they visit a few websites and watch MSNBC) just see that for what it was. A bunch of spoiled, self-absorbed whiney babies inconveniencing those around them at the expense of the taxpayer. The "deeper meaning" of the location is lost on them. You need to get out in the real world a bit more often.

Replying to my own comment, because I just want to say that this is why I rarely even read comments because of the vitriol. I believe I expressed my opinion without name calling. And, btw, Bob, my assessment of the participants' intelligence is just as valid as AWD's, who was the one who assessed them first. Perhaps you should ask him if he is just seeing what he wants to see.

I'm glad you clarified the validity of your claim of being able to assess intelligence as it relates to seeing what you want to see, Christine. Quid pro quo comparisons are helpful in that regard.

And I'm not a big fan of name calling, but sometimes that's the only way to get the correct characterization of individuals out there. I think if a person chooses to participate in activities that society normally associates with those most people grow out of in their preteens, then it shouldn't surprise anyone when that person is identified as not having yet done so.

How was the North Ave bridge chosen? There is work going on at that site now. It's being fixed. What do you think those orange barrels are there for? More parts for Muskego's Randy Roadbots?

My mentality is just fine, thank you. As is my way of thinking. I don't feel entitled. I've worked very hard for what I have, and so has my husband. I generally am opposed to recalls, especially if they are single-issue recalls. I remember seeing recall petitions being circulated in the 90s for Feingold and Kohl because of an abortion vote. Those recall efforts failed because they were single-issue recalls.

I do not believe that this is a single-issue matter, which is why I support the recall. I was not on 68th Street the other night because I was working during that time. But I fully supported the peaceful rally that took place. Please don't feel sorry for my mentality - I give absolutely no thought to yours.

the true character of all walker supporters is to bombard and styfle all resistance to their beleifs with long, twisted paragraphs of fictional statistics! fact is, this there are more supporters for the recall then not! but some do not participate because they are continously put down by condecening people like james, steve and bob who think they know all! that is why they want voter suppresion!

@john -

So, apparently, you believe that the real truth can only be contained in short soundbites, talking points, propaganda, and rhetoric containing little or at best severely twisting the facts.

Try thinking for yourself for a change!

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154528/the-oreilly-factor

I thought you did nothing but sit in your snow plow 24/7 waiting for the snowflakes to fall, john?

the only people who think union workers are thugs are the same people who couldn't cut the mustard in a union job! in other words, your a bitter slacker!

1. Obama is a liar. He never said that he was going to restructure student loan debt at the taxpayers expense during his campaign, despite the fact that such action is consistent with his overall ideological platform - he should be impeached!

2. Obama is spending more public money and putting us even deeper into debt than any other President in the history of our nation - $15T+, that's $133,559 per taxpayer. How are you going to pay your share Rich?

3. Obama allows GE to get away with paying ZERO federal income taxes. Guess who the CEO of GE is? His right hand job czar Jeffrey Immelt, who instead of creating jobs here in America is shipping GE's medtech/x-ray and aerospace divisions to China!

4. Obama laughing admitted that he wasted $1T of our money in stimulus I by saying that "shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we expected." And he thought that this was funny? Let's see Obama cover that $1T out of his own pocket if it's such a laughing matter!

5. I'm not going to counter this one, as it is a CHRISTMAS tree! Good for Walker!!! And Obamacare = socialism!

6. Where are the tens of millions of jobs that Obama promised us? Unemployment in the US has soared under his tenure. And how much money did all of those crony jobs at Solyndra and the like costs us?

7. He's corrupt. Look at the congressional investigation of Eric Holder, Chu, etc. Not to mention Anthony Weiner!

Hey Rich, this is fun, I could do it all day!

You're all leaving out obama and his Chicago crime buddies, Blagoevich, Emil Jones, Madigan, Daley, Rezko, plus the ones he took with him (who used to surround clinton) to be in his cabinet.

Worse yet on the choice of Holder, he was the Reno's partner who invaded and killed innocent citizens at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

@Rich (Third) Reich
Point #5. Why can't I call it a Christmas tree?
Point #6. Where is the 8% unemployment Obama promised it would never go above?
Point #7. How does the FBI investigating his aides make HIM corrupt? That would be like me calling you a communist because your neighbor is a convicted rapist. If you are implying he is corrupt because of the people he associates with, how about Barack Obama spending time with Bill Ayers?

Hey Hoffa, mau and scott...lay off of Rich, he's too easy.

Calling a pine tree a Christmas tree does not go against separation of Church and State. What that amendment actually means is the government can't call a certain religion, "the official religion" by enacting a law stating that. It does not mean the Governor or the President, or any politician for that matter, cannot call it a Christmas tree.

hey green sheet, buy the time i got done with you, you'd be a brownsheet

Christine, you're a couple of days behind with that one. Been there, done that, shot that down effectively here:

http://whitefishbay.patch.com/articles/state-officials-say-holding-onto-walker-recall-petitions-is-illegal-dems-angered

We DID take government back when we elected Scott.

Christine,

Would you really? I suggest you go back and read down the comments section for a post by Linda Binder. Then come back and tell me who's having the reading comprehension problem.

Hey, Bob McBride! Thanks for thinking of me. I hadn't even commented yet on this thread and I find myself mentioned! As you stated, I posted elsewhere Walker's words of support for the concept of recalls, spoken when a recall was potentially for his benefit. Whether that recall went through, who it was against, or what color tie he was wearing when he said it, don't change what he said, or change the relevance of his comments to what is happening now. In the case of this recall against Walker, its obvious that there's much more behind it than sour grapes Bob, but I understand you're very invested in that point of view. It seems like you hurl a lot more insults than you used to in your comments! Do you think that helps? Anyway, thanks also, for urging people to donate in support of the recalls, even if you were attempting sarcasm, or humor maybe? Not sure. Anyway, I can help!....at this link people can donate to support the recall, and also download a petition to sign and mail in: http://www.unitedwisconsin.com/
OK, back to watching the game! Go Pack!

No, Linda, I actually do want them to donate. No sarcasm whatsoever. The more out of state moolah flowing into WI to be spent on spooky looking doomsday commercials and tug-at-the-heart strings mailers and used to put up Ras Trent and his canvasser pals at the Motel 6, the better. Bring it on, folks....send in that money. Talk is cheap.

I was more than happy to post the link. The way it got shot down when you brought it up saved both Christine and I a lot of time today.

So I would ask you Christine, what is there to gain with recalling Walker? Act 10 is here to stay regardless. Please tell me what is going to change when and if Scott Walker is removed from office.

So you're that lazy, Christine? I think if someone pointed me in the direction of something and said it referenced something I posted in the comments section (I guess I could question how you managed to find this little packet of comments to post in yourself in response to others if you "rarely" read them, but that's a whole 'nutha discussion), I'd be sure I'd at least scan the contents myself before I came back and questioned someone's reading comprehension abilities.

And thanks from steering clear of the name-calling yourself there, Christine.

Like I said, Bob. I was breaking my own rule. And I regret doing it. I apologize for calling you a jerk in a public forum.

The comments caught my eye today. I was curious. I don't know if you can define it as "lazy" not to read the comments, but again, you've descended into the personal. Something I'm not going to do again. In fact, I think I'm going to go be productive. There are leaves to be raked, lives to be lived. I suggest you try that as well. Especially the latter.

Hudson Resident, Your characterization of teachers as thugs is absolutely laughable. You should take a trip to Chicago and meet some real THUGS!

john I thought you were gonna go join your family and not post all day? Second time you've claimed you were leaving and didn't. You don't even seem to be able to get right the stuff you actually have some control over.

dave, your local officials decide what the towns employees make! since the new budget laws, i have no say in how i get compensated. yes we can bargain wages but that point is mute because it will be taken away in other areas! walk a mile in my shoes dave! you wouldn't like it!

@john -

James P would not appreciate you representing the IBT so poorly on the board with your apparent stupidity.

"dave, your local officials decide what the towns employees make! since the new budget laws, i have no say in how i get compensated."

If what you say here is true, then you must not be able to vote - so you are either a convicted felon, incompetent, or an illegal. My bet is on the illegal. Go back to Mexico john and leave the American work for real, honest, and true blooded hardworking Americans!

You know, when we asked Obama to secure the boarder, we didn't mean to try and make America such a crappy place to live that no one in their right mind would want to try and sneak in anymore!

@John-Booooooooooo Hooooooooooooo Walk a mile in my shoes John. A Father of 5, 2 in college a home owner tax payer and your point.
Educate yourself and get a better job!!! Invent something, provide a service, do something other than expect me as a tax payer to pay your way!!!

i already pay more towards my benefits then you do!

dave, i pay 12.6 % of my health care plus have huge deductables, i also pay more towards my retirement then you do. and the bush administration put limits on my pension, so what goes in, might not come out! i can't draw ssi till age 67 either.
what more do you want from me?

Paying 12.6% of your healthcare benefit costs is a bargain. Most people in the private sector are paying between 20% to 30%...

@Carol -

I was hoping for some more ill-informed 'we should be more like Denmark' comments. I still don't understand why you abdicate so strongly for unions, and yet can also support absolute right to hire/fire, such as the Danes have.

Yes, the hypocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me!

BTW – I thought you went out to rake leaves! You're about as consistent as my good friend john :-)

See everyone! If mau gets it, then why can't the rest of you?

but coperate swindlers love you even more scotty! how was that trip to cali?

Lee, if you can't hang that's not my problem. Grow a couple.

@Lee -

If all you want to read is a bunch of lefty liberals patting themselves on the back for all thinking alike with an elitist attitude, then the Daily Kos is the place for you. Here, we value a spirited exchange of all ideas and beliefs. And when did I call anyone a derogatory name?

You're the bully by making unfounded and FALSE assertions that you can't back up!

lee, obviously they have nothing better to do!

this coming from a guy with the same name as chairman mau! not suprised!

No you don't, john, because you've managed to be wrong for about the umpteenth time today with this one.

Nobody's paid to post, john, except those folks trying to sell you designer women's shoes and the like. Wonder how you'd look in a pair of Jimmy Choo's. You'd be the most stylish snow plower driver on call in town, I'd bet.

@Hudson Resident -

I don't get it either. First off, do these people have an obsession with the Troll movies from the '80's or something? Honestly, why a 'troll' - it doesn't make much sense! Second, I only wish I was being paid by someone to comment - I'd be much more well off! And if being on the right makes us ‘trolls,’ then what does being on the left make them exactly? Bunch of classless individuals if you ask me! I’m sure AWD could say it even better ;-)

I guess when you’re on the left, it's easier to blame baseless conspiracy theories as opposed to taking responsibility for yourself. Sad state of affairs in America when half of the country thinks that way! I hope we start waking up and waking up fast otherwise it will start to get ugly here like in already has in Europe!

fyi: "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

@Linda -

Thanks for clearing that up - for a minute I thought all the lefties here were obsessed with the Troll movies of the '80's!

Still not sure why they'd be calling us trolls though - the article supposedly contains the facts and they speak for themselves, right? What's more to say? According to the criteria you've provided, there would be no reason for anyone to comment further. So anyone commenting, from the right, left or in-between, would be considered a troll, correct?

As I expected all along - just a bunch of unintelligent and classless name callers!

Thanks for the help Linda!

really hudson? which fitzgerald are you? stop waisting my tax money and go produce some real job legislation!

@Donna -

"... most credit you for being the first to stand up against the injustice being done to the middleclass."

I think you're a bit confused from watching too much MS-NBC. What you state is the reason that we elected Walker - he's saving the middle class, not committing injustices upon it as you suggest. You may want to try broadening your perspective!

JR Hoffa....and it's not just the middle class he's helping, but also the working poor, who now have more access to the voucher program, and who have increasing access to jobs with his Wisconsin is open for business efforts.

DK Grasso...not from Wisconsin, eh. Well why don't you join the other "not from Wisconsin" thugs invading our state with their efforts to change the positive course of history that Wisconsinites voted for last November. You'd be right at home.

Talk is cheap, Donna. Send money. Send to the Recall Walker campaign so some drifter looking to do some canvassing for room and board can spend a night in a warm bed at the Days Inn and leave the little complementary soap untouched in the morning.

@john -

And what exactly about that phone call was so illustrative of a conspiracy theory exactly?

Except for the fact that Walker apparently had never spoken to David Koch before in his life, other wise he would have realized that it was not David Koch's voice. Logic kind of dismisses your entire little Koch conspiracy theory, doesn't it?

@john -

I thought you were done before?

And what's wrong with wanting to use a baseball bat or the national guard on people who are threatening the life of you and your family with death? Wouldn’t you do anything to protect your or your family’s lives if they were being threatened by an angry mob of people? I guess you just don’t care about your life or the lives of your family very much john. We on the right, however, appreciate a man who’s passionate about life and the lives of his family. I know that individuality doesn’t work well with the whole collectivist thinking of the left, but it’s a reality of our species. Get with the program john!

walker is a much bigger a hole then any pesident could ever be

@giatny -

Thanks for helping to be the voice of reason!

john, I think may you have just stepped in your biggest clump of stupid yet. I noticed earlier that you posted something about "bob the disbarred lawyer". Please tell me you don't think i'm alan eisenberg.

@Bob -

Oh man, this is just getting too good!!!

@john -

I'm flattered knowing that you think I'm important enough to have cronies! And just who would those 'cronies' be per say?

Hey Alan-
Can you tell me where I can get a deal on a half-priced, dis-barred, James R McBride.

@John-Again thats the best you can come up with? WOW!!!

bob, again, i see you have nothing constructive to do! get a job!

Hence the reason why I rarely engage in political discussions with people with whom I share no common ground (said right wing authoritarian conservatives). We are not going to agree, or even to agree to disagree. They will get personal. They will get hostile. And they will accuse me of doing exactly what they're doing. There's no point.

"Never teach a pig to sing. It doesn't work and it just irritates the pig." In this case, the pig couldn't care less. The teacher would be the one irritated. So to those with whom I cannot find common ground, oink away.

Rodney thanks for that. JRH, you dogmatic, hypocritical, bullying zealot, what have you to say for yourself in the face of this blistering analysis from afar???

And don't wast our time with your excuses!!

@Rodney Ramirez -

"I posses a high level of political/psychological acuity in respects to how and why people vote the way they do and what possible motivations they may have."

That's very modest of you. And to think, this whole time I’ve been buying into the notion conveyed to me by my friends on the right that the liberals have a very elitist attitude. Boy were they ever wrong! At least I now have a concrete example that I can use to counter that silly argument the next time I hear it! Thanks a lot Rod! I can call you Rod, can’t I?

BTW - The Recall Walker campaign needs all the money you can gather and send up here to help fund their efforts in standing against the evil Koch/corporate political machine! So go ahead and sell the cattle horns from the hood of your Cadillac if you need to - just make sure to send as much as green as you can to the Recall Walker effort! Don't delay, donate today!!!

@Bob -

I'm sorry, I really am! My "dogmatic, hypocritical, bullying zealot" ways have probably hurt a lot of people. I may even need an attorney - it's really too bad that you've been disbarred, bob ‘alan’ mcbride ;-)

But I can change my ways! I really can! I just need to find a tv and start watching MS-NBC Malcolm McDowell style from Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange (1971). By the time O’Donnell comes on, I should be cured!

The Christmas miracle can come true! Thank you libs – I owe it all to you for showing me the errors of my ways! I think the therapy is already working, as I have this strange desire to go over to the Daily Kos and start congratulating all the libs for being the masters of logical, brilliant, progressive thinking!

Join me Bob, you too can still be saved! It’s not too late! The evil Koch emperors don’t own you yet. Just pick them up and throw them down the maintenance shaft. Bob, I know that you’re my father :-) Now kill the evil emperors before they kill me for defecting!

@mau -

Are we all in it together? You better believe it!!!

Go Scott Walker Go

GO GOV SCOTT WALKER!!!! Walker all the way absolutely!!!

you repubs can't even agree on a niminee for president! all in it together my foot!

@the 'sha guy -

It's the same old, same old from the libs! They haven't changed in years. Just check out this clip from an old South Park episode:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154528/the-oreilly-factor

Does the aging hippie liberal douche sound familiar?

I AGREE WITH YOU! (Unlike many recall supporters, I really live in Wisconsin!)

SIVA have you met john? You and he seem to be on the same end of the political spectrum and share the same festering distaste for Mr. Walker. I'd love to see some intellectual interplay between the two of you.

john, meet SIVA. SIVA, meet john.

bob, you couldn't keep up with me on your best day! talk doesn't count! actions do!

right on brother!

But wait! There's more!

Man, this Ramirez guy is turning into a regular Billy Mays or Ron Popeil.

Hey Ramirez, for only $29.99 you too can buy your stake in helping to defeat the evil Koch Bros in Wisconsin. Get out that wallet and start sending your money to Recall Walker! Act now and get a free gift!

Oh man, I'm so relieved you took the time and effort to correct that spelling error - I was just about to start thinking less of your clearly superior intellect!

Don’t worry, your awesome Daily Kos cut and paste elitism is secure with me!

@Rodney -

Comparing Hitler and Mussolini to Reagan and Limbaugh - like we haven't heard that one a zillion times already from the left.

Maybe you should go back to the Daily Kos and get some new material because the stuff you're throwing out right now is old.

At least be a modern liberal hip with the times and start slamming ALEC or something.

@Rodney-You are truely some cheap entertainment!! Thanks for the laughs there Rodney

You called it Bob!

My guess is AWD was probably the culpable stud!

yeah right bob, you can keep the adams apple having ann coulter

@robert -

I don't know, I was always more of a 'Miami Vice' kinda guy, but 'Dallas' was pretty cool too!

so in other words, james has been snortin koch for a long time now

@Rodney -

Just don't forget to make your donation to Recall Walker!

Elizabeth Warren - Thankfully for all of us, she kept her clothes on!

@john -

I thought you were done?

@john -

BTW - "here is my layman's take ..."

What’s up with that? Don't tell me that you're actually buying into Rodney's whole intellectual liberal elitist b.s.!

I thought you were smarter than that!

Who is john?

Where's CowDung when you really need him!

we do think for ourselves . that's why conservatives are threatened by our intelligence!

OMG!!!

A conservative/business conspiracy theory found on a liberal blog - say it isn't so! Those darn Republicans, they sure did pull the wool over my eyes!

Ah yes, no big story about this blatant fraud anywhere! Nor was there any coverage of the ‘Cemetery Petition Drive’ to collect the names of the dead from tombstones to use on the recall petitions.

But we sure did hear plenty about the fake petition gatherers who weren't going to turn in their collected signatures to the GAB. But there's no liberal media bias - honest!

Let them waste their time and cigs collecting unusable signatures - the joke will ultimately be on them!

that story has been debunked already, the supposed child was 22 years old!

@Al Breeck -

The federal government is broke and currently running at record deficits - where would the $900M have come from exactly? Oh yeah, that's right - China!

Maybe you're OK with financially enslaving your children to the Chinese just so you can have a choo-choo today, but I for one am glad that Walker stood on his principles here! We need more like Walker that are willing to put their foot down and say no to Chinese money and financially enslaving future generations just to satisfy our own greed and ineptitude today!

And if you still think that the train would have been a great idea at this moment in time, then please borrow the money only under your children’s names, but leave mine out of it and they’ll promise never to ride your train. Deal?

Yeah, Al, that's why he killed it. To deny union construction workers good jobs. Never mind that there was absolutely no demand for it. Never mind that what it actually was, was a very expensive carrot dangled in front of Talgo (remember Doyle's trips to Spain?) in the form of a publicly funded test track in exchange for a production facility. Total long term jobs gained - approximately 1000. And that $900MM was just for starters. Add in construction costs beyond the $900MM, maintenance, subsidies to cover the inability of ridership to support it and you've created a boondoggle that would end up costing residents of the state untold millions ad infinitum.

Just the other day, another lefty somewhere on here was bitching about a $8 million dollars used to help Ruud Lighting create 400 jobs. That you guys have a problem with - because it happened while Republicans were in control.

So who's getting more bang for the buck, Al? The Dems and Doyle, with the money pit HSR project (that actually was cancelled by Doyle, btw. If he felt that strongly about it he could have pushed it through), or whomever put the deal together to keep Ruud from moving jobs to NC?

You know, if you folks could ever put together an argument that couldn't be picked apart by a middle-schooler, you'd actually be dangerous.

@Lizabeth -

I'm sorry to hear that Ohio voted down Issue 2 (Senate Bill 5). I sincerely hope that the local level tax hikes and mass lay-offs that are both coming don't hurt the people of your state too badly.

Best of luck to you from your friends in Wisconsin!

Trolls, Orcs and TP men, lend me your tympanic membranes!
Was that Ohio I heard being invoked by your cheeto encrusted fingertips?

Indeed, TP men, we have turned our backs on the Toilet Paper Movement. We know that you can too.

Tell you what, put some pants over your tighty whities for a change. Come out of mom's basement where you dwell without family, girlfriend, or clue and find other ways to compensate for your repressed sense of testicular inadequacy that manages to broadcast itself in every thing you post here.

blaitant lies stormy! it's well known that the recall movement has been infiltrated by right wingers and the teaparty! no one from our movement would be stupid enough to 1 give cigarettes to a minor who's signature wouldn't count anyway! and 2 public workers in wisconsin no longer have collective bargaining thanks to the dictator scott walker and freinds the fitzgeralds, robyn voss, bacca leifish and her husband, van wanggard and others! try again liar

@John-And as a tax payer you don't deserve collective bargaining!! Why should I be held hostage to satisfy your wants? You all keep saying the attack on middle class. Hmmmm you are such a small portion of working Americans so how does the public sector make up the entire middle class?

@john -

Are you quitting your job? Or are you just going to refuse to work and get fired? I'm confused here.

dear mr noffa not quiting! this is just a cold hard fact! many towns and villages will be plowing mainstreets only during storms due to shortages in workforce and fuel and salt prices!
if ploice or fire can't get to your house for grandma 's heart attack, not my fault!
the governor has hack revenue sharing with small municipalities and services will be cut, even police and resue! plus, along with those cuts in services, most places will see their mil rate rise. so don't cry when you get your first walker tax bill!
and james , you seem to have a lot of time for blogging! do you do this on work time? or don't you work? my bet is that your diabled and sucking off of the rest of us!
myself, i have been at work earning a living, as you know, i haven't posted all day.

john, you've repeatedly demonstrated an ability to be wrong about just about everything, so excuse me if I don't heed your warnings about the conditions of our roads this winter. If we have problems, maybe we add staff. If not, maybe we can even get rid of a few more - or at the very least, replace the constant complainers with folks who've been doing your job out in the private sector for years and would love nothing better than a shot at yours themselves.

so have i stormy

@M.J. -

Wow. What a highly intelligent revelation. Thanks for sharing, as the community is now so much better off for this thoughtful insight!

if you beleive you are the majority , you are not as smart as you think you are dave.

@Rodney- You are truely disillusioned!! So much so it makes me laugh. Anyone who supported the so called Fab 14 and there little run away stunt is farthest from being a patriot who believes in democracy. But because we the people of Wisconsin have elected an individual to do a job those on the left now want to recall him. Only to save their entitlement programs that benefit the few!!!
Ramirez its obvious why you stand behind the Re-Call efforts. Im guess you are also for the Dream Act. Just guessing you or somebody you know is in this Country Illegally and Walker poses a threat to people like yourself. Thank God for Voter ID. Hey if we cant beatem lets recall them!!! And we wonder why the youth of this Country is sooooooooo messed up!!

@Ramirez-Well it is that exact thinking that made this Country so great!!! Our forefathers stood up against people such as youself!! You talk to big with big words and it is just that talk!!

@Rod -

You're really going to make us suffer through all of your cut and paste B.S.!

@Ramirez Well its obvious that liberalism has worked well for Greece, Spain, France, Portugal, UK, and others. That very thinking has done nothing but create chaos and riots. Hmmmmmm great ideas!!!
This Country was founded on very conservative principles and that is what made this Country so great!! If it was not so great than why did boat loads risk their lives to come here. When was the last time you heard of boat loads of people making make shift rafts to sail to Cuba? Ahhhhhhhh never. Conservative ideas and principles are what built this nation not liberalism, socialist ideas. That is what our forefathers fought against

Again you are truely disillusioned. GREECE, FRANCE, ECT. ECT

Just as George Soros, Van Jones and others promotes. An admitted marxist, socialist seeking to destroy America. WONT HAPPEN

Dave, don't waste your time. If you were on the bus and saw one of those delusional self-talkers who rants on and on to no one in particular about nonsense, you wouldn't bother with them. This is much the same thing.

@Bob-Yes you are right.

Looks like we have a whole busload of them here, Dave. This one thinks Mother Jones speaks the truth. At least he's less longwinded.

Fewer words equals less effort on your part. Not that sitting around in your tighty whities and banging on a keyboard in between wanks requires a lot of effort.

Hmmm... The Silence is deafening. Bobman and Robin must be out scoring more Cheetos.

Hoff, have you sent in your donation to the Recall Walker campaign? When does your government assistance check come in? We've got ciggies for the kiddies to purchase so we can hit that signature number and we could sure use the price of a pack (or at least a portion of one, if that's all you can afford) from you. Or maybe when you're shuffling back from using the library computer you could panhandle a few bucks for us. Think you can handle that? We'd sure appreciate it.

Dang, it's lunch hour down there now, I'll bet. He's probably out dumpster diving behind Mickey D's while the McNugget leavings still have some heat in them. Ah well he'll be back.

Oh Bobikins (shudder) such a tongue lashing... and in all the right orifices. You can give me a "Gotz von Berlichingen" anytime!

You're welcome! You got honey mustard sauce on your neck beard there, Sparky. Might wanna clean that up or G-d knows what'll be making sweet love to it tonight under the viaduct.

I took you for a run-of-the-mill basement trog. You must be aspiring to rise in the world if you dream about what happens under the Viaduct.

I'm not sure I want to crawl down there with you, Hoff. Some jealous marsupial might throw a hissy fit.

Yes, Scotty must go... down the floor and out the door.
Go Scotty Go!

@Hoff-Good luck with that!! Obviously the left is feeling threatened thus resorting to dirty politics. If we cant have our way we just run away and if that dont work we will recall for doing what we were elected to do. Again I have seen several polls where voting was taking place for those who thought Walker would be recalled. And well the ones I saw said exactly what we said during the elections. Look deal with it and when his term is up vote him out.

Johnny K-sick also claimed the referendum in Ohio was a waste of time.
I don't feel threatened by letting voters decide to force Walker from office.

Walker shouldn't be threatened by what went around coming around-- unless what went around is something he would do differently now that he sees what his arrogance has engendered.

Speaking of shrinks and prescriptions, Rodney for all practical purposes it looks like you're overdue for both.

Strains of "radical" Conservatism are entirely tolerable. The problem is when the Avian form (neo-Conservatism) passes into the Swine form (Tea Party radicalism) it can jump to the body politic (the 1918 Pandemic).

Time to undo some elephantine electoral mistakes. Ohio went first. Now it's Wisconsin's turn.

You can stop and reload now, Rodney. Hoff's given himself a happy ending and probably won't be ready for another one for a couple hours or so.

Bobman's so preoccupied he hasn't had time to conjure his imaginary friends to the rescue.

Rodneyt, judging from your comment you must be a consevative.

Pick & choose your points, typical...
Amodio said it would be a mistake to conclude that one political orientation was better than another. The tendency of conservatives to block distracting information could be a good thing depending on the situation, he said. Positions on specific issues are influenced by many factors, he noted.

What's with Bobman's obession with mental health? Might he be having issues transitioning to new meds because of puberty?

@Rodney -

"The sooner we purge this insidiousness from our political discourse and politics in general, the better we will be."

You know, I know that I’m not as intelligent as you are, but I do seem to recall another group of people from earth's history that wanted to PURGE certain members from their society as well.

You may want to put down Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, or whatever it is you're reading, and try some new material, pronto!

@Hoff-meister -

Are you sure you want to throw in your hat with the fascist Rodney? Hmmm... then again, 'Hoff-meister,' Yep, sounds very Germany to me - it's all making sense now!

Go back to shaving your head instead of picking on Bob!

A kinky thought Jimmy but I don't need to shave there. I just want you to promise to stop shaving your pits.

This one apparently gets off on a mix of reading long-winded anti-conservative brain dumps and borderline potty-mouth talk, James. He goes at it like a mad-man for a few, then after he's satisfied himself he disappears for awhile. Wherever he came from, I can understand why they ran him off. It's kinda gross and gets boring real quick.

I see what you mean Bob!

I can only fathom why Hoff-meister is so interested in my pits. Maybe he just got lost on his way to one of those gay sex-fetish websites?

Lefties always figure those on the right are homophobic so they like to toss that stuff at you to see if your head will explode (no pun intended). Same with the "you're a hypocritical Christian" stuff. If they come out of the blocks with that, it's good bet that's all they have.

I hear that!

I'm just wondering if this guy is a Hasselhoff fan or just a few bricks shy?

Personally, I love the Hoff, but then again, who doesn't :-)

I dunno. Let's ask him if he enjoys a good cheeseburger while reclining shirtless and drunk on his living room floor next time he swings by.

well walker thought they were dormant, but then again, he's not that bright!

temper, temper johnny boy.

@john -

Are you really that upset with me for doing my own roofing repairs instead of hiring a unionized contractor to do the project for me?

Or for recently raising my hip-roofed barn so that I could re-pour the footings that were crumbling, with only the help of family and friends instead of calling upon my fellow Teamsters?

You're right, I don't know if I could have kept up with all the union mandated breaks and down time because I actually like to try and get those kinds of projects done on a budget and schedule.

Shame on me!

well gee whiz james! igrew up on a farm, are you sure you really know what a hip roof is? and btw, do you really farm your land? or do you sit back and collect subsidies to let the feilds go empty and just pretend your a farmer?

@john -

Who ever said I was a farmer? No government subsidies for me, thank you very much! Just because I have a barn doesn't mean I'm a farmer - I use it as a workshop, where I restore collector cars, and as storage space for my very modest auto collection.

I lease the remaining 240 acres, which is separately partitioned from the 2.6 acres my homestead sits on, to a farmer that has planted the field for the last 3 years (since I bought the property). This year, he did soy beans.

And yes, the barn is hip-roofed - it was originally erected in 1889. It was in decay when I purchased the property. Several hydraulic jacks, and a lot of personal sweat equity was spent giving it some new life!

BTW – I did use Teamster affiliated concrete mixer trucks when re-doing the footings, but actually over-saw the pour myself. The Teamsters merely provided me with the concrete.

brian, we aren't out to impress you! we are going to recall the governor!

Not at this rate you won't. Again John, why are you recalling Walker? Because he kept taxes in line, paid off our debt, saved thousands of public workers jobs, created 1200 new teachers positions, balanced the budget? Are is it because you can't fathom contributing to your own pension or healthcare like we, the 99%? Really John, are you that self serving that you expect people like me to fund your gravy train? Well, we're done!!! Your unions have robbed us blind for a several decades because of your so called collective bargaining. And so what are you going to do if you are successful? Lay-off thousands of your so-called union brothers? Pathetic, if you ask me. Solidarity in Wisconsin translates to solo-darity! It's all about me, to hell with education and my union brother.

brian, trust me there's no gravy train here! talk to upper manage ment types about that!the more you talk your gravy train crap to hard working people who you know nothing about, the more you fuel my ambition to acomplish our goal! thanks for the encouragement! and actually take the time to attend your local board meetings! you would be suprised to see where your tax money really goes! till then, at least have the decency to respect the guys who make your town run smoothly the actual workers ! and don't judge all by one or two the governor talks about performance based pay yet that hasn't happened in water, sewer, and higway departments! all we have seen is cuts cuts and more cuts. i would be all for performance based pay,
but managers are not taking the time to do those evaluations! if they did, i would be making more not less! you don't know me, don't lump me in with the gravy train crap!

John- No disrespect, but I am extremely active with public workers. I sat on a school board for three years, on our village's park commission (one year as chairman) and have been the village's weed commissioner for the past six years. I ran for the village board and continue to be very active in budget decisions with our village. I negotiated 6 public union contracts twice, so I do have more than a basic understanding of "where the money goes" and know first hand that none of those unions gave anything towards pensions and a meager $65 family contribution to health care for a Cadillac plan with no deductibles for a four year contract that contained 4.5% each year for the entire contract. You would be suprised that 80 - 85% of school and municipality revenue goes directly to wages and benefits. When the money runs dry, your lavish benefits were taking money out of classrooms, salt for the streets, less police and fire equipment and personnel, and yes, your highway depts 's lost personnel and equipment. Thousands are laid off right now and the economy is in the tank (look at the mass lay-offs of public workers in Illinois) and all the Governor was asking for is you to contribute (like the rest of the world) to your pension and healthcare; all without cutting your wages or your availablity to great healthcare. You unions sold you out on the healthcare if they changed the plan to save you a buck.

brian, our union actually had a better plus cheaper healthcare plan the village could get through their own agent we saved the village $500 per man per month and locked in rates for three years! if you've never heard of the teamsters central states c-6 plan you should!

@john -

Do you think you could talk to James P and see if he could get me a loan from the Central States Pension Fund so that I can buy a casino out in Vegas?

stormy, i know a lot of old farmers just like your dad. he is a real conservative! not like the new breed conservatives. the point i was trying to make with hoffa is this, most old barns did not have a hip roof a hip roof generally has 4 sides much like a ranch style house. your dad is a real farmer. but i think hoffa is a big bag of wind!

@Stormy -

Thanks - it was a challenge, but one that I was able to handle with the help of my friends and family just fine. When restoring the barn, I decided to go with a metal roof - hopefully the last roof I'll ever have to put on it!

Within the next 5 years, I also plan on putting a metal roof on the house. I will also be doing all the labor on that project myself!

Hope your father's roofing project went well for him :-)

@john -

You got me - it's technically a "gambrel roof" and not a true "hip roof." However, many people confuse the two designs and 'hip-roofed' is often seen being used to refer to an actual 'gambrel roofed' structure – just google the term ‘hip roof barn’ and see what images come up.

I was going with the popular slang/vernacular as opposed to the technical description. Sorry, I stand corrected.

I put a picture up on my profile so you can see my barn, if you so desire (pre-siding).

Cheers!

@Stormy -

Even though my family never farmed, they were UAW auto-workers for AMC and then Chrysler in Kenosha, we still lived out in the country. So, my first real jobs ever since I started riding a bicycle down the highway were working as farm hands for the local farmers that lived around us. I did everything from tending dairy cattle to stacking straw up in the hay loft and everything else in between. Definitely gives you some strong work ethics and proves that getting your hands a little dirty never hurt anyone!

Glad to hear that everything worked out well for your father and that he can still hear well too :-)

@ Stormy & Hoffa - OK, I just posted pix of our baby under rehabilitation. She's not as pretty as Stormy's or as old (1896) as Hoffa's but we love her just the same.
Now if we can just evict the sparrows that nested in the soffits, after the woodpeckers went after the carpenter bees that chewed up that succulent 100 year old pine.

@Hoff-meister -

Nice looking place and great job on the resto so far!

BTW - you still interested in Hoffa's pits?

@ Hoffa - I looked up this thread out of curiosity since the email is not keeping up with the churn you Sussex badgers can manage in a cycle.
OK, I thought a Nicholson clone was vain enough to shave his pits. But after reading your defense of that gal and love of old barns the pits are of no consequence. Since my old man was also an old UAW slog that didn't hurt either.
BTW I'm a 60+ old fart, a registered Republican and the sort of conservative that comes with 28 years of military service... so go figure.

@Hoff-meister -

And here we had you pegged as a Huff Po / Daily Kos exile that loves David Hasselhoff!

Welcome to our Patch, we hope you enjoy your stay!

We may not be the brightest bunch out there, but we're definitely always interesting :-)

And who doesn't love Jack in Hoffa (1992)!

Well Jimmy/Jack you seem to have plenty of interesting company-- and they seem to have very "liberal" ideas of what constitutes a thread. Sorry if I nod off every now and then while trying to keep up. Thankfully the infirmities of old age come after years of experience... the young would buckle under if it were otherwise. The rest of this day will be spent in locking and loading, the morrow in the moment and Friday in recoil.

@Hoffa - Just stuck my head under the shower and before heading out was wondering -- Do you folks know each other? I mean face-to-face. If not, what a shame. Worse, all this energy poured down a virtual suck hole.
My little (600 souls) village ain't perfect but we do talk to each other. Upside: every body knows everybody's busines. Downside: everybody knows everybody's business. On most things if there are 3 of us together then you can count on hearing 6 different opinions. As you might be able to tell mine are extreme and weakly held. I suspicion that a lot of what is posted here falls in that category. Shame that instead of talking with each other anymore we and our political reps just posture and point fingers.
Well, that's what happens when I get too much soapy water in my ear canals.

@Hoff-meister -

I personally haven't met a single one of my fellow Patchers. I believe that some of the northern suburban Milwaukee folks may know each other - or at least know of each other. Other than that, we're just Patchers!

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!

Hoffa's out through the weekend!

@john -

Thanks! And like I tried telling you before, for me it was never about demonizing or vilifying anyone. If you would have just taken me at my word, we probably could have dispensed with a good deal of the back and forth – but it was a little fun, wasn’t it ;-)

It’s just simple economic reality. I don't exactly agree with everything the Republicans do all the time either. I'm an independent that tends to vote for mostly third party and independent candidates - at least when they're available to vote for anyway. I've supported Perot, Nader, and even used to send money to the Northern Irish Sinn Fein before 9/11 made that difficult to do.

The only reason I support Walker is because it would appear that he’s trying to take some fiscal responsibility for the taxpayer and there’s currently no better option available. And public sector unions, well, you know how I feel about that – they’re not really necessary. The federal government proves that in the way it’s mostly non-union and treats its employees pretty fairly, right? Remember, you still get to vote for the politicians that set your pay, just like everyone else. And if you wanted to, you could organize into a lobbying group, as the real Hoffa suggested public employees do in his book, as opposed to trying to use the traditional labor union model. I fully support that.

Take it easy, and don’t get a sore butt form sittin in your plow for too long!

@Stormy -

Fundamental difference between private sector and public sector unions. Not even the real Hoffa or FDR believed in or supported public sector unionization because of the inherent conflict of interest they contain.

However, even today, the private sector unions have lost their ways as well. I can't believe that the UAW actually supported the recent South Korean FTA. Apparently, they didn't learn anything from NAFTA, did they? The leadership has become ignorant and stupid because of auto dues collection and auto re-certification. Hoffa loved voluntary dues collection and re-certification elections because it kept people involved with their union and made the union stronger. It also meant that strong union workers didn’t tolerate the poor union workers and kind of self policed themselves in this regard. Definitely not the case today!

They also lost touch with the mantras of solidarity and brotherhood. How many union members today purchase foreign and non-union labor made vehicles? You'd think that if they were serious about those credos, you wouldn't see a foreign non-union made vehicle in any of the local parking lots or public school faculty parking lot right?

Needless to say, close to 70% of public school faculty own foreign non-union made vehicles. But then these same people have the nerve to shout things like 'solidarity' and 'brotherhood' at our state Capitol - it makes me sick!

The real Hoffa wouldn't have tolerated that kind of disloyalty to fellow union brethren, that's for sure! And yet, most people don’t even consciously think that way anymore today – it’s a travesty!

The true fault for the problems our nation faces today lies not in Wall Street, or the 1%, or even the government. The true enemy is your neighbor who bought a Prius instead of a Chevy Volt. Or your neighbor who built a bigger house using Chinese drywall instead of settling for decently sized house built with American made drywall. In other words, the true enemy has been our collective consumerist habits that have greedily sold out our own nation to our foreign competitors. Pure and simple.

@Stormy -

That is one sweet piece of property! Is that on a river, or is it just a pond?

Yeah, the cigs for kids sigs scandal smells to me too. But like I said before, if they want to waste their time collecting invalid signatures and contributing to each other's eventual development of lung cancer - be my guest!

If they do manage to trigger a recall election, Walker still wins the election by a 10 point margin, +/- 2 point margin of error. I already did the analysis by the numbers based upon the outcomes of the recent senatorial recalls and the Prosser v Klopp ‘referendum’ on Walker’s policies over on an older board.

Go Walker Go!!!

As a conservative I have to admit we have one jap scrap sitting in the yard. It was not purchased, it was given to a family member. And I believe our Dodge Ram engine was made in Canada. Our other vehicles all US made.

Go Scott Go!!!!!

i proudly own an 88 gmc sierra, a 92 chevy shortbox 4x4, and a 2001 olds alero! but my republican boss drives a toyota! and so does his wife! your point was?

@Mau-I was just curious thats all. Reason being is all these left wing progressives shouting solidarity, recall walker slogans, I just wonder what most of them drive? Its funny cause I see a lot of recall Walker stickers on the backs of Kia's, Toyota's, Nissans, Honda's, ect ect ect. Now being a proclaimed Union supporter car from Korea or Japan?
Yes I understand GM has plants in Mexico and we as citizens have no control over that but GM, Ford, Chrysler are more American than Kia.
Again it has nothing to do with solidarity but rather having something taken away that they feel is a right!!! As mentioned earlier Mr James Hoffa himself would not be happy with all u left winging toyota, nissan, honda, kia driving progressives.

@Dave, we have noticed the same thing. When we go to our local school to vote, it is a sea of foreign vehicles. When I was on a union board in the 1980's, most on the board were driving foreign cars and at the meetings there were a lot of foreign cars. And that was before they started shipping so much of the manufacturing out of the country. Sad part is we are now in a situation where it really doesn't matter. Especially when stimulus money is handed out to auto manufacturing companies owned by foreign countries.

Hoffa's rides:

2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo - Assembled in Detroit, MI USA
4.7L Power-Tech push rod V8 - Made in Detroit, MI USA
5 Speed Auto - Made in Kokomo, IN USA

2001 Dodge Ram 3500 SLT+ Laramie – Assembled in St. Louis, MO USA
5.9L Cummins 24V Turbo Diesel HO – Made in Columbus, IN USA
6 Speed Manual – Made in Kokomo, IN USA

1995 Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe - Assembled in Hamtramck, MI USA
4.6L Northstar V8 - Made in Livonia, MI USA
4 Speed Auto - Made in Ypsilanti, MI USA

1985 Buick Electra Park Avenue - Assembled in Wentzville, MO, USA
3.8L V6 - Made in Flint, MI USA
4 Speed Turbo-Hydramatic - Made in Parma, OH USA

1981 DeLorean DMC-12 - Assembled in Dunmurry, Northern Ireland
2.85L PRV V6 - Made in Douvrin, France
5 Speed Manual - Made in Douvrin, France

Go Walker Go!!!!!

Keep these figures in mind as we recount the number of firsts for this presidency:

First President to refuse to show a valid birth certificate.
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States .
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space.
First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly speak-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN)
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First President to appoint 45 Czars to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office.
First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

First President to coddle American enemies while alienating Americas allies.
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag.
First President to go on multiple global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends, paid for by the taxpayer.
First President to refuse to wear the U.S. Flag lapel pin.
First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000.00 a year at taxpayer expense.
First President to repeat the Holy Qur'an tells us, and openly admit the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

Remember that 32 months of Obama White House we the people have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fast as during the rest of our nation's entire history, as the Obama's plan their next extravagant vacation to the Indonesian Island nation of Bali .
Hope and change anyone?????????
* sources: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Wall Street Journal, Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Dept of Labor, Standard & Poors/Case-Shiller, Federal Reserve, US Treasury, Heritage Foundation.

Thank you for consolidating all the information.

Go Walker Go!!!!

@John-You go John!!! Go John Go!! I was enjoying my day off actually. Go back to work tomorrow. I have yet to see any Re-Call Walker supporters in my area collecting signatures. Hmmmm maybe not all of Wisconsin is for recalling Gov Walker as you would like us to believe

@Ramirez-Facts are Facts!! Look around and everything listed in my posts are in fact things that have transpired under Obama's watch. But typical there those such as yourself who are from the same mold. Hitler was a very well liked individual early on as well. Im just saying

@Ramirez-And you can deny those accusations against Obama?

@Ramirez-Thats awesome!!! To MUCH GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND REGULATIONS!!!! GET THE EPA OUT OF OUR LIVES. KILL A JOB SAVE A TREE RIGHT? Typical left wing liberal tree hugging wack job!! Oh because co2 is killing us right? Global warming is a hoax!!
Very typical UNION Rhetoric and Bush was right in doing what he did!! PRO LIFE BABY

@Ramirez-Got ya going now !!! In all your posts I have not seen 1 ANTI AMERICAN POST!! Bush never turned against America and call us arrogant and that we needed to apologize for our actions.
Nice try there Ramirez!!!

@Dave... back to your parent's basement and your TV tuned to FAUX.

If you had any real sense of history you would recognize that the Federal Debt debacle started with Reagan, who tripled the debt in his two terms as President. Bush the Lesser was a piker, who merely doubled the debt.

Look it up and stop parroting Orly Taitz' Birther Crap. BTW, she was just laughed out of a nearing in New Hampshire where she was attempting to sell lher Birther Crap again. Stick with the "experts" sonny and you will go a long way.

@MrsPeel-Well I have been out of my parents basement for well lets see 31 years now actually 32. Facts are Facts. We are in worse shape today under Obama than we have been since well as long as I can recall. Lets see there is another scandel in the works with another one of Obamas boys Mr Corzine. Seems its one thug after another. The price of food has sky rocketed, the price of energy has sky rocketed, I have less in my pocket today than I did 3 years ago. Lets see 2 failed stimulus programs, Unemployment 9% which we all know its probably more like 12 to 14%, under Obama he continues to shell out tax payer dollars for failed programs that have done nothing for Americans.
Facts are Facts MrsPeel............Continue sticking your head in the sand!! Everything will be ok!!

That's it? After all that I've posted that's all you've got?!?

What about that Gingrich child labor quote? That's your party isn't it?

You remember, "Child Labor Laws are stupid"?!?

@Ramirez-what else is there? America is a mess right now under the current CEO, . This Country was not in this shape with either Bush. Current real life says it all. Your liberal, socialist President is a failure.

@Ramirez-Not to mention Bush represented America and the American People. Never said he was perfect but he never said we as Americans were arrogant and needed to apologize. If its such a bad place why do we have so many wanting to come here?
Thats it so go back and crawl under rock and keep pretending

"Never said he (Bush) was perfect"...now there's a gut buster.

You guys throw this 15 trillion number around all the time? Where did it come from?

Tax cuts for the wealthily, the illegal Iraq invasion, Medicare Part D along with an explosion of the defense department and the costly homeland security program.

@Keith-Hmmmm lets see 2 failed stimulus programs, big AIG and other Government bailouts, Solyndra just to name a few!! All Obama's policies. Not throwing nothing around Keith FACTS ARE FACTS!! Tax cuts for the wealthy? Even if you taxed the 1% at 100 percent it still would not be enough to counter the reckless spending in Washington

Sad but true. Ron Paul is viable but in this case they (Republicans) eat their own.

They do, he's right out there in plain sight. The ideologues don't care for him, but ultimately he'll be the candidate and they'll vote for him. The key is whether or not the constituency that put Obama in the White House last time around is motivated enough to get out to the polls again to keep him there. I think the odds are they'll show up again.

Yes, please keep going.

You gotta green card?

My thoughts exactly Mr Dey. Does Mr Ramirez have a green card becuase I am assuming he is also for the Dream Act. Just a guess though.

@Ramirez-Well if I am not mistaking there was a time this summer when Wisconsin created the most jobs in the Country!! Gov Walker is working hard to bring jobs to this State but because of Obamas policies thats a tough sell!! Big brother regulations are preventing job suppliers from expanding due to uncertainty not to mention the uncertainty in our own State with all you leftys wanting to Re-Call everybody for doing their elected jobs!!!
The items you refer to above were well over-due!!! Conceal Carry long over due, castle doctrine long over due just to name a few!!!
Ramirez why dont you and Van Jones, George Soros and all you lefty marxist, communist loving individuals all sail to an island and live happily ever after. We as Americans who believe in the Constitution and those that help themselves will NEVER give into your socialist ways NEVER!!!!

Dave,
Uncertainty is the biggest load of crap excuse I have ever heard. What are they actually uncertain of, and how did this not exist before.

Actually, Say What?, the Nobel committee awarded it's prize for economics this year to two economists for a study that, amongst other things, points to uncertainty as an important consideration that comes into play when companies are making decisions on whether to expand or not. If you're suggesting that there's no degree of uncertainty to be concerned about out there right now, you've not been paying much attention to what's been going on in Europe, which most definitely will have an effect on our economic future - let alone the things going on in this country currently.

@Say What-Well before we did not have Obama in office who wants to regulate even more cause well big brother knows best right? Come on common sense will show that this Presidents policies have done nothing but help to destroy our economy. With them wanting to tax the so called job creators because they dont pay their fair share give me a break. How about taxing the 40% or more that pay ZERO!! There is your uncertainty!!

Wisconsin still has one of the better unemployment rates though--2% better than the national average.

Once on the Biz Times click on the "Current BizTimes Daily" link

@Stosh-Well look at the root cause!! I think it all leads back to Washington!!

You so badly want to believe don't you Dung. The fact of the matter is, like the Titanic, the ship here is slowly sinking and Captain Walker steered us into this iceberg.

Dave, you can't blame Obama as much as you'd like. All the states are being looked at equally.

Besides, Walker promised us 250,000 new jobs, regardless of who is president.

@Keith-Come on Keith he has not even been in office for a year and at one point Wisconsin created more jobs than the entire nation. He also said 250,000 jobs by the end of his first term. But see you all are so quick to re-call him because he stood up and is trying to make a difference. And yes I can blame the Obama machine for the current State of our Country. His policies have obviously failed!!!! About all he has managed to do is jack up the debt to 15 trillion and give his thugish wall street cronies tax payer money!! He still wants to spend tax payer money because his fix is revuilding the roads and bridges which once again is tax payer money. Get out of the private sector rather than trying to coddle us all!!

@Ramirez-Consider the source and just laugh. I might even say a prayer for you. Because you are so far sucked into the George Soros, Van Jones belief system. But we will take your money so please send your recall Walker contributions.