State GOP Official: The Medicare Debate Is A Debate We're Happy To Have
Officials from the state GOP visited the Victory Center in Mount Pleasant Monday to rev up support for the presidential campaign. Brian Schimming, vice chairman of the Republican Party of Wisconsin, said Medicare is one of the key issues.
Republican Party of Wisconsin Vice Chairman Brian Schimming and former State Sen. Van Wanggaard stepped off of the Romney/Ryan bus as about 30 Republican supporters cheered their arrival Monday at the Victory Center in Mount Pleasant.
Schimming joked about how well Mitt Romney supporters, and even non-supporters, responded to the bus. Romney, the GOP presidential nominee, picked Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisconsin), 10 days ago and the Romney/Ryan bus stopped in Racine on Monday.
“We went by the occupy place there in Madison and I gotta hand it to them, they came up with a whole new way to say we’re number one with the one fingered salute,” Schimming said. “…But I gotta call it ‘Bus-force one.”
Schimming said he would give President Barack Obama a deal, that when Romney and Ryan get elected he’d give Obama the bus if he used it to go back to Chicago.
Joking aside, Schimming pointed out that the both campaigns have focused recently on Medicare.
“And we’re just fine having that debate about Medicare and this administration has made it worse,” he said. “This administration has gone and cut $716 million dollars out of Medicare to hand it over to Obama care, to finance Obama care.”
Over the past 10 days, Romney and Obama have locked into a debate about the Medicare program.
According to a story by ABC, Romney has framed Obama's Medicare plan as a government takeover of healthcare. ABC also reported Romney's plan would not change Medicare benefits for people 55 and older.
Romney explained:
"Do you think raiding Medicare to pay for 'Obama care' is an achievement? Do you think empowering a board of bureaucrats to cut Medicare an achievement? Neither do I. Medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for 'Obama care.' Medicare should be used to be the promise that it made to our current seniors. Period. End of Story."
But during a press conference Monday written about on a New York Times blog, President Obama said nearly 5.4 million seniors with Medicare benefits have saved more than $4.1 billion on prescription drugs, or $768 per person. That was information included in a Department of Health and Human Services report which also announced 18 million seniors with Medicare (benefits) have taken advantage of new preventive care benefits in the first seven months of the Affordable Care Act.
“These are big deals for a lot of Americans,” Obama said. “And these are important ways that the improvements made as part of the Affordable Care Act have strengthened Medicare.”
Still, Schimming hammered home the message that with over 8 percent unemployment for 41 straight months, that there was no recovery in sight.
“The supposed recovery that we are in, as far as I’m concerned, is just getting worse now,” he said. “So there’s no hope, there’s no kind of change, they rammed Obama care down our throat, even though every poll in the country was showing that we didn’t want Obama care and now they raid Medicare to pay for Obama care.”
Obama supporters brought the Medicare debate to Racine County last week, when people went to Wilson's Coffee and Tea in Racine to speak against Ryan's budget, and his proposed changes to Medicare, including the introduction of vouchers.
Schimming asked the question of whether people were better off now than they were four years ago, and many in the audience yelled, “no.”
With 140,000 people having lost their jobs in Wisconsin, Obama shouldn’t be re-elected on that record, Schimming said.
“We are clearly not better off than we were four years ago,” Schimming said. “There’s no doubt about that, there’s no measure – any statistical measure – that we are better off (now) than four years ago.”
GearHead
8:22 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
In Obama's own words..."If I don't have this turned around in three years... this will be a one term proposition"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0
I totally agree!
dee50
8:16 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Who would have thought from day one the Republican Congress had made the decision to just say NO, and put party over Country....
AND NO the President did not have a Super Majority in Congress (blue dogs) if he had there would never have been Record breaking filibusters.
dee50
8:11 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
The 700B/500B was taken from insurance and pharmaceutical company subsidies. Seniors have lost NO benefits because of this and the exact same reduction is in the Ryan plan, but it goes for the tax break for the rich.
PolitiFact addressed it more than a year ago and called the claim False.
But that’s not all: PolitiFact National gave Michele Bachmann a Mostly False in September for claiming Obama was stealing $500 billion from Medicare. In July, PolitiFact Texas gave a state representative a Mostly False for claiming $500 billion in Medicare cuts were coming. And PolitiFact Ohio served up an out-and-out False to the National Republican Senatorial Committee in June for claiming that Sen. Sherrod Brown had voted to cut $500 billion from Medicare.
There are more, but you probably get the idea.
That brings us to our ruling. Generally, we’d give this a "Mostly False" given that there is a small kernel of truth to the statement. But we also have a policy of taking into account whether the speaker is willfully repeating something we’ve said wasn’t true before -- and in this case we have said it several times. For that reason a FALSE!
The Affordable Care Act does not eliminate $500 billion out of the current budget for Medicare. Most important, there are no cuts to guaranteed Medicare benefits.
http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2011/nov/14/rob-cornilles/another-look-favorite-republican-talking-point/
GearHead
8:56 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Dee, I don't think anyone listens to you, but thanks for the laugh anyway!
Joseph Robert
1:12 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
Dee, Thanks for the info. You are obviously one of the smartest readers of this story, and much brighter than Gearhead, who appears to have a few screws loose.
dee50
9:33 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Gearhead,
Your name fits you perfectly!
GearHead
10:16 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Dee, you are not bright enough to figure out what it means!
dee50
10:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
CBO says healthcare ruling could save $84 billion
The CBO also said that repealing the healthcare law - a move advocated by Republicans - would increase the deficit over the next decade by $109 billion. The law's revenue increases and spending cuts total more than the cost of expanding coverage to the uninsured, the CBO said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/us-usa-budget-healthcare-idUSBRE86N1AJ20120724
Ryan’s vouchers will pay for less and less coverage. The CBO says that by 2030, the typical beneficiary would be expected to pay more than two-thirds of their medical costs.
http://whatifpost.com/couponcare-paul-ryans-proposal-for-changing-medicare.htm
dave
4:48 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Classic Repub debate style:
Dee: True Statements with a sourced link.
GearHead: nanananananana no one listens to you...
Dee: More True statements with source
Gearhead: You are so stupid...
Rmoney/Ryan keep lying, if you say it often enough all of the GearHeads will believe you!
Jason Junck
11:18 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Thank you, Dee50, for at least trying to get people to understand that whole "argument." It's been extremely aggravating to hear for awhile now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/us/politics/costs-seen-in-romneys-medicare-savings-plan.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=politics
Patients would actually pay more if the "$716B being robbed from Medicare" stipulation was put back into place. It was part of a deal to make hospitals more profitable by having 30 million more people with health insurance.
The Medicare Advantage program is the single stupidest program in recent American history. It disburses Medicare funding to private entities in the hopes that the competition would bring prices down. Except NOBODY KNOWS WHAT MEDICAL CARE THEY NEED, OR HOW HOW MUCH IT SHOULD COST. For anything. All they know is that insurance covers it, so I don't need to know how much it costs. This means that the private insurers who receive Medicare disbursements can still charge whatever they want for medical services. On average, the typical Medicare Advantage user costs 11 percent more to cover, despite those people not seeing any more benefits than your typical Medicare recipient. And this would be a program we'd want to keep, why?????
The best part?!? The $716B in cuts was in Paul Ryan's original balanced budget!!! Really! Now it's bad?
"His running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan, included the same savings in his House budgets."
Jason Junck
11:20 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Here is the really pertinent, absurd information from this story
"Mr. Romney has been especially critical of the cuts for insurance companies that provide Medicare Advantage, a popular private-policy alternative to Medicare. “This is the president’s plan: $716 billion cut, four million people losing Medicare Advantage and 15 percent of hospitals and nursing homes not accepting Medicare patients,” he said in a recent campaign appearance.
But Medicare Advantage, which was created 15 years ago in the hope that private-market competition for beneficiaries would result in lower prices, has consistently cost more than standard Medicare — costs that Medicare beneficiaries must help subsidize through their premiums.
The reductions for Medicare Advantage providers are “a matter of basic fairness because they’ve been overpaid for years,” Ms. Moon said. As for beneficiaries, she added, “they’re guaranteed basic Medicare benefits. They may lose some extra benefits they may have been getting, but in effect you’re saying some of the windfall benefits may go away.”
“The bottom line,” said Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, the senior Democrat on the House Budget Committee, which Mr. Ryan leads, “is that Romney is proposing to take more money from seniors in higher premiums and co-pays and hand it over to private insurance companies and other providers in the Medicare system.”
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