@Lyle -

No Koch Bros conspiracy theory behind this legislation? That’s shocking!

Two-thirds of US parents and teens favor abstinence before marriage.

Liberal Madison wanted to force it's liberal values on all of Wisconsin, and Wisconsin rebelled.

It's called democracy.

More info at: http://sytereitz.com/2011/10/wisconsin-sex-ed-there%e2%80%99s-an-elephant-in-the-room/

Actually lyle...this issue has huge fiscal ramifications. Just think about it.

@Duane Michalski...OK, I'll bite. Let's here this bit of logic.

lyle, what is the cost to society of teen pregnancy, the early birth rates and extra medical care? The cost of single moms dropping out of school? The cost of child care for those who do choose to go forward in life. It goes on and on. What if the mother doesn't have insurance, and for the record, a lot of insurance companies are not paying for the proper care of teen age girls who are pregnant. So in the long run we as taxpayers pay the bill. I think it also the responsibilities of parents to provide a good upbringing. I do not see how it is the responsibility of taxpayers. As far as what is taught in school...what is so wrong with tring to get kids to stop popping out kids...WHEN THEY ARE 13 YEARS OLD!! And yes they are that young. I did some volunteer time at a middle school....saw at least 3 girls knocked up. So as Tina Turner so eloquently said "whats love got to do with it" unfortunately not much these days.

@Duane Michalski...Thanks Duane for making the best argument for continuing Sex-Ed programs as passed in 2010.

This being a special jobs session, this legislation should never have been included by the leadership. No way does this legislation have anything to do with jobs.

I think the repeal of the Healthy Youth Act is a mistake and the passage of this bill is evidence of an agenda not driven by statical data, anecdotal evidence and plain old common sense. Not teaching birth control? Really? I thought the goal was to reduce teenage pregnancy. We can't do that by ignoring practical lessons while including abstinence as part of the lesson.

@Heather -

If we take Lazich at her word about the scope and intent of the legislation, it doesn't do away with teaching birth control, it merely stipulates that the choice to do so, how to do it, and what it will cover is up to the individual local school districts to decide instead of the state government.

I agree with Lyle that now is not the time to be handling this kind ideological bull, but in principle I like giving the power of choice to the people of local communities. Plus, by returning the power to local communities it emphasis greater involvement by parents over the issue. And how many districts do you honestly believe will choose not to include birth control education in a sex ed curriculum? I'm willing to bet that most of the districts that will choose to opt out don't have that much of a problem with unwanted teenage pregnancy to begin with because of greater parental involvement in such districts/communities.

Plus, by decentralizing control, there’s less of a chance for undue corporate influence over the issue by those in the prophylactic industry. It’s really an all around win situation!

heather...the bill is not taking out the education of birth control. It is about bringing back the conversation of waiting. That is a good thing.

@Syte...The optimum word is "favor", but that doesn't translate into reality. For those that don't practice abstinence are still at risk. As stated before, nationally 43% do not practice abstinence and are engaged in behavior that varies in risk. To de-emphasize the importance of safe sexual practices is not only a disservice to the students, but puts additional burdens on society. Other than abstinence; birth control practices such as barrier, birth control pills, IUD are a highly effective means for protection of pregnancy and reduces the incidence of pregnancy termination. Also, other than 100% abstinence, barrier protection is the only effective means for curbing the spread of STDs.

Your statement: "Liberal Madison wanted to force it's liberal values on all of Wisconsin, and Wisconsin rebelled. It's called democracy."; is highly misleading. What you call liberal values is nothing more than social values supporting general public health. In support of public health we demand that children be vaccinated before starting school. Why is liberal policy to demand that children should be educated in safe sex before they become sexually active.

Your unrealistic expectations and disconnect with the behavioral realities are going to enable unsafe actions, an increase of unwanted pregnancies, higher incidences of STDs and increases in abortions.

@Lyle -

"Your unrealistic expectations and disconnect with the behavioral realities are going to enable unsafe actions, an increase of unwanted pregnancies, higher incidences of STDs and increases in abortions."

But that's not what the legislation suggests doing, is it Lyle? See my above posts for clarification on the scope and intent of this piece of legislation.

And you know as well as I do that if Walker was a proponent of teaching birth control, you guys would be out in force claiming that he was bought off by the drug and prophylactic industries and doing nothing more than serving his corporate masters.

So, don't these same corporate conspiracy theory's hold just as true for Democratic legislators? Why can't I say that the only reason the Dems want birth control education is because they've been inundated with money from the drug and prophylactic industries? There appears to be a very alarming double standard at work in many of the positions you and left have taken against Gov Walker. I don't see why you just can't admit this.

@JRH....This is legislation that I don't think the governor had any hand in. As far as I know he has not made any statements concerning it. If governor Walker would come out in support of birth control, I would be surprised, but I would support his position wholeheartedly. Do you have evidence that manufacturers of condoms and birth control devices are providing support to political candidates? If so, I would like to see it.

@Lyle –

You honestly don't realize that I'm referring to Walker as representing the Republican agenda, and ergo as a figure head of all WI legislative Republicans, such as the ones that drafted, sponsored, and voted for this bill?

Do you have any SOLID and DIRECT evidence that Walker is solely paid for by the Koch Bros, thus warranting all of the attacks you make upon him time and again for doing such? I'm not talking about indirect political/campaign donations here, which are par for the course, just like Obama’s big war chest courtesy of Wall Street in the ’08 election. I'm talking about situations like Obama meeting with the head of Solyndra, who also happened to be a campaign fund raiser, multiple times at the White House prior to the company receiving a $.5B loan.

There's more evidence against Obama for corporate collusion than there is against Walker, and yet, I've never once seen you trash Obama for such activity. However, you're constantly doing it to Walker based on nothing more than highly speculative conspiracy theories.

Give it up Lyle and just admit that you're hypocritical in your criticisms and attacks! And for the record, I rip on Republicans and Walker when they do things that I don't approve of just as much as I rip on Obama, and my prior post prove and indicate such!

You may want to try joining me in the consistent application of principles club!

@Lyle -

In 2008, Church and Dwight, makers of the Trojan brand of condoms, donated $2,500 to Wisconsin Democratic campaigns. Proof enough for you?

@JRH...I'm impressed with such a big contribution. They are definitely right up there with the Koch Brothers contributions. In 2010 they donated $43K directly to the governor's campaign.

@Lyle -

What does it matter if it's $1 or a $1M? Crony capitalism/socialism is wrong no matter what the amount. And where's your example of Walker doing favors specifically and solely for the Kochs, like Obama with Solyndra? I've yet to read, see, or hear about anything that Walker has done that only benefits the Koch's and no one else. Can the same be said for Obama and Solyndra? I don't think so!

Funny how Lyle abandons discussions he knows he can't win! :-)