Michigan will become the 24th state to enact"Right-to-Work" laws and the all to typical reaction is taking place at their state Capitol. The all to familiar sights of union demonstrators vandalizing property, knocking down and yelling obscenities at supporters of the legislation and general thuggery and intimidation of union members reminds of us of how nearly two years ago, Wisconsin faced the same behavior.
There was a time in our country where men died to give us freedom, now we have just the opposite occuring on a far to often basis. The fundamental right of freedom is being challenged by these thugs. They don't believe that you have the freedom to choose whether to be represented by their union. They don't believe you have the freedom to not pay for their so-called protection. No, they would rather fight to ensure that you are judged by their performance and not yours as an individual.
More and more, workers are turning away from unions, that have done little to protect jobs or improve working conditions in nearly five decades. They want no part of union leadership that sets out to safeguard their jobs at the expense of laying off younger workers. Oh, they say that in these "right-to work" states that wages are nearly $1,500 less per year than non "right-to-work" states, but they fail to tell you that the union dues they collect average over $1,500 annually.
They fail to tell you that in almost every state that has enacted these laws, unemployment rates are below the national average. It has also been shown to increase the number of businesses, as some businesses would never consider states that don't have the provision.
Wisconsin, which has already been in the mix with the passage of Act 10, needs to consider granting the same freedom to chose whether to be unionized or not, to the private sector. And further, give individuals the freedom to decide if unions are in their own best interest.
We have already seen examples in Wisconsin that when unions have to compete and not force membership, they either deliver a better product or go under. Yes, you will hear the liberals denounce this as they have in every other state, but if we have learned anything from our own example, the majority agree with less unionization, or at least that one must forcibly pay union dues and be mandated to be in a union.
As long as unions want to be a political arm of the Democratic Party, they will face these challenges, and more often than not, lose. I say congrats to Michigan and on Wisconsin.
J. Andrew World
8:40 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Way to go just repeating what the corporate media wants you to say. Whiteness saw a man wearing a hat the terrorist organization the NRA kicking in the ground spikes. http://youtu.be/rt6I8BrQCVY
Steven Reynolds
8:41 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
You claim to be an education reformer but can't tell "or" from "are?" Why would anyone listen to such an ignorant person as yourself?
c
9:16 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Only small petty people nitpick minor grammar and spelling errors. Steven Reynolds, you are the epitome of an ignorant idiot.
Mike Itzenhuiser
9:29 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
@c
If you pay better attention, Brian Dey constantly misspells words. He may be a teacher, but he's definitely not an educator.
Brian Dey
10:22 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Rebel (spell checker): Speak to the substance, or are you totally clueless. One thing about the unions, they only have to know acronyms.
Paul Pimentel
8:41 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
So many misleading comments in this article I don't know where to begin It's almost as if the author received his education in a right to work state which comprise EVERY SINGLE one of the states on the bottom rung of educational achievement. If fact, only three of the top ten fastest growing state economies, controlled for GDP, are right to work states. That's it just three. When it comes to unemployment, the author failed miserably in his research. He claims every single right to work state is below the unemployment rate average ---- he might be right if South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Nevada, Georgia, Tennessee and Arizona had suddenly decided to secede and were not states. The joke is on me however, for wasting my time pointing out the galaxy of false accusations in this piece of rubbish.
Brian Dey
10:05 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Paul-The collective unemployment rate of the 23 right to work states is 6.9%. I never said every single state. I will correct myself however in that it should read the majority of states, 13 of 23.
Forced unionism also contributes to a lower Gross Domestic Product. According to the institute, real GDP in right-to-work states grew an average of 3.1% annually between 2000 and 2006. In forced-dues states, the average annual growth rate was 2.1%. Had every state been a right-to-work state for that period, the national GDP in 2006 could have been $436 billion higher.
Personal income growth is higher in right-to-work states. Between 1999 and 2009, personal income growth increased, on average, 28.3% in right-to-work states compared with 14.7% in other states. Wisconsin saw growth of 11.4% during that time.
Finally, manufacturing growth is higher in right-to-work states. Growth in real manufacturing GDP was 20.9% in right-to-work states between 2000 and 2008. In other states, the growth rate was 6.5%. Wisconsin during that time period saw a manufacturing growth rate of 8.1%.
Steven Reynolds
8:42 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
What does "encat" mean? Is it English?
Steven Reynolds
8:43 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Please cite sources. Union dues are how much? Where do you get your information? Are you making it up?
Ronald RayGun
8:45 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
I have an idea, Brian.
Let's have an unedited, recorded "discussion"/debate on the pros/cons of RTW4L, and, the Union Movement in general. Maybe we can have the Patch sponsor it.
Either of us can add any personal recordings that we have taken at both events that you mentioned. (you can bet I'll have plenty to share when Sarah Palin visited Madison - pretty disgusting blatant racism, as well as some of the most unpatriotic actions that this veteran has had the displeasure to personally experience)
How about it?
Brian Dey
10:27 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Really Mr. RayGun: Lets start with damage to the Capitol, death threats made against public officials, protesting in front of politicians houses, pouring beer on elected officials. I was at one of the union rallies and saw violence committed amongst those that supported Act 10. Please quote one racist remark made by Sarah Palin.
Scott Latta
8:46 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Union dues are usually one hours pay per month. Damn those unions are getting the workers some great pay if dues are $1500 a year.
Brian Dey
10:25 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
The UAW charges 2 hours pay per month for hourly and 1.15% for salaried. Many teachers unions charge flat fees tha range from $80 to $130 per month. Union dues are not reported generally to the public so data is hard to come by, so what I have done is calculate the reported union incomes and divided by the approx. number of employees in each.
Mike Itzenhuiser
6:47 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
flat fees tha range from???? Now instead of your common misspelling, you're leaving out letters. How can anyone take you seriously if you can't even spell? What an idiot........(>_<)
Angela Bartolone
8:54 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
What a bunch of whiny creeps member of AFP are. Clearly they have learned nothing from the election and believe they can continue to lie and bully their way into anything. They are so freakin histrionic and borderline. And education reform? Creationism in charter schools paid by vouchers paid for by the government? What a step forward for civilization.
Brian Dey
10:15 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Really Angela? In Michigan, they won the majority in both chambers of the legislature and have a Republican Governor. Clearly, the DID learn from the elections and did what the majority elected them to do.
Mike Itzenhuiser
9:31 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
the DID? Don't you mean they DID? Another misspelled word. Seems to be a problem with you Brian Dey. Steven Reynolds hit the nail right on the head when he said "You claim to be an education reformer but can't tell "or" from "are?" Why would anyone listen to such an ignorant person as yourself?"
Brian Dey
10:19 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Rebel: Good one. Why don't you address the thugs? What? Can't defend them? If all you can do is point to misspelled words, than aparently the substance of my claims you are unable to refute.
Mike Itzenhuiser
12:58 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
then, not than. Hahahahahaa!!!!
Brian Dey
2:08 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Rebel- Good to see you caught that but missed that it was intentional. Still waiting for your thoughts on substance...yawn...crickets...
Mike Itzenhuiser
6:50 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Intentional my ass. Keep making excuses and eventually you'll believe it. Just you, not the rest of us.
Angela Bartolone
8:55 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
*do not play nicely with others* *have no clue about others*
Paul Spink
9:02 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Absolutely people should have the choice if they pay union dues or not, but only in circumstances where unions have the right to refuse service to people who make that decision. Under the law as it stands right now union resources have to be spent to defend every worker, if they pay dues or not and raises negotiated by unions for their members are given to every worker that has the option of joining the union, if they pay dues or not. No one ever insists that Triple A come out and do roadside service for people who don't pay for Triple A, why should my union dues be spent to support someone who refuses to pay dues? It is either ignorance or malice that makes people say that unions should prove their worth under Right to Work laws, because as passed people get all the benefits without sharing the risks or resources and that is un-American. On top of that you talk about unemployment rates in Right to Work states but don't mention how most of the jobs are incredibly low paying with no benefits. The average worker in a Right to Work state makes thousand less a year than a person in a state with strong unions regardless of their own membership. Walker's act 10 did enough damage to the middle class, let's not make it any worse.
Brian Dey
10:21 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Why should union dues be paid to to pay union leaders making high 6 figure salaries that would gladly throw younger workers under the bus to protect their salaries and benefits? Or why should someone pay union dues when they don't believe that their dues should be spent to support the Democratic party? Or why should they let some fat cat union boss decide whether to take concessions or close the plant? And the last time I checked, all the claims of protection that the unions say they do, are covered by state and federal law. Please explain how Act 10 damaged the middle class? I am curious.
Alex Candelario
10:39 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
All I Know Wages were Crap Till I Got A Job That Is Union, Now It's GREAT! Be Happy For Me!
Angela Bartolone
10:56 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Paul Spink I wish I could like your comments and Brian Lying Milquetoast whoever the fuck you are, I know we should all just make the fat ass bankers tell us what kind of economy and quality of life everyone should have. Because I see these snivelly little greedy low life bastards on Wall St. every day. and they definitely got the high road. Just like you.
Angela Bartolone
10:57 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Oh yeah thanks for all your "wealth creation." Looking forward to your "education reform." Maybe you should just home school your kids and be done with it.
Brian Dey
11:00 pm on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
Angela- Thank you for showing your class and proving my point.
deborah burns
12:42 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Brian Day..u want to see violence go to Syria. Obviously u have a problem with folks vocalizng their constitutional rights..in a peaceful manner....fear breeds fear
Brian Dey
6:47 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
deborah burns- You want see violence, turn on the TV and look at Michigan. The pictures look like something out of the Middle East, although those people are fighting for freedom, while your unions are fighting for less. It was far from a peaceful demonstration that included the threat from State Representative Douglas Geiss that, "There will be blood if this passes."
A reporter who dared to ask a demonstrator,"Why are you against right to work?", was punched repeatedly. The AFP tent located in the Capitol Square, which had many women and elderly volunteers, was was tore down with people in it and slashed with knives.
That is your idea of peaceful manner?
c
9:25 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Deborah Burns, I truly hoped you are punched in the face and have a tooth chipped, as what happened to the reporter. Then I can tell you that it was just "folks vocalizng their constitutional rights".
I truly honestly wish this.
Dave Dewey
1:06 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
I wonder if this same view would be held by you, When Democratic California decides it no longer wants to be in the union and pay dues/taxes. With a GDP 8th largest in the world. (All by themselves) America would collapse overnight. Without their money. The same way you want the unions to. Would you still support their Right To Choose?
c
9:27 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Dave Dewey, hope that isn't your real name, as dopey as it sounds, but anyway... California is turning into a cesspool of illegal immigrants and wasted taxpayer money. Unions are feeding from the public trough so severely that the state is bankrupt. Yeah, great example Dave.
Brian Dey
11:52 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Dave Dewey- This is your best argument? California is on the verge of collapse already. Public labor reforms are already under consideration by the way0out lefty Jerry Brown to fix their mess. Seems even the ultra liberals of CA see the Wisconsin reforms as the way back to being fiscally sound.
Dave Dewey
2:08 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Oh, and those funds the unions donate to Democratic political campaigns. You Republicans had the same problem with it several years ago, and campaign reform laws were passed. Every year since we have asked each and every person who wants to contribute to fill out an international politi!cal action form authorizing the deductions, which is kept on file. Most choose to donate to the Democratic party. Not all do however. But i guess we shouldn't have the right to choose? Like all the fat cat corporate ceo's. It just angers you that when we all stick together, we can match your partys corporate funds. And oppose your political views and win. So now your party is trying to attack and weaken us, eliminating the competition. And as for the large 6 figure salaries you talk about. Our members vote on all money issues. They cannot even pay the electric bill without a vote. Saleries are the same as my salary for 40hrs. And they work about 50hrs a week. But in theory if we had a really good representative we wanted to pay 6 figures to, we could do it. The same way corporate america can pay their management more if they so choose. As far as throwing younger workers under the bus? Do you have any idea how a contracts are ratified? It is once again voted on by the membership. A union is very different than the socialist organization you describe. Have you ever been in one? Your clueless. In the words of my late father, "Your talking out your ass, because your mouth knows better."
Brian Dey
6:38 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Dave Dewey- Sorry Dave, but you are clueless. Take Trumka for example and the AFL-CIO. On 2011 filings, he reported a salary of $407,817, with 138 in his support staff making between $101,440 to $293,750. The average of the 138 comes to $175,000 per year, or total with Trumka's salary, $24,553,000. And there are another 200+ on the AFL-CIO, including the Evening Sweepers who make $40,000.
Her is a partial list of union CEO salaries:
NEA- Dennis Van Roekel: $460,060
SEIU- Mary Kay Henry: $290,334
AFSCME- Gerald McEntee: $512,489
Teamsters- James P. Hoffa Jr: $372,489
American Federation of Teachers- Randi Weingarten: $493,859
IAFF- Harold Schaitbarer: $323,811
AFGE- John Gage: $198,690
UFCW- Joseph Hansen: $361,124
UAW- Bob King: $618,000
Not to mention the Baker's union and on and on... How many jobs have they created? Words of my late father, former Treasurer of the United Steel Workers Union, "All unions do now is protect bad employees, and protect the the salaries of their leaders."
c
11:33 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
My name is Dave Dewey. I can only type sentences that are... less than 10 words long. Before I add a period. Must be my union education. Me smart. Not too bad of plumbers butt.
I lie about union fat cat pay. But then I make excuses for it. After being proved a wrong idiot. Atleast I am a useful IDIOT. To my union masters. Who I'll blow if they so tell me.
Mike Itzenhuiser
9:35 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
Hahahahahaha!!!! Good one c {:-D)
Tansandy
5:00 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
This is why union leaders want to keep the union----
So let’s take a look at the number of executives in the Bakers’ Union, their salaries and titles. What does a humble baker president like Hurt rake in? A mere $262,654. His assistant, Harry Kaiser has to get by with a mere $149,764.
The Bakers’ Union (BCTGM) has 58 employees. 29 of them make more than $100,000 a year.
The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers’ International Union has 8 Vice Presidents. (One is an Executive Vice-President).
These 8 Vice Presidents make anywhere from $218,989.00 to $161,789.00 for a combined total of over 2 million dollars. Additionally there’s a Secretary Treasurer who makes $244,396.00.
Does a union with 58 employees really need 8 Vice Presidents at a ratio of one Vice President to every employee?
BCTGM also has 12 representatives who make between $100,000 and $150,000. Its highest paid organizer makes $148,851.
While 18,000 workers may lose their jobs, the Bakers’ Union execs will keep their jobs and their six figure compensation packages. And even if BCTGM folds, they’ll just fetch up in another union.
John Richey
7:00 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Sir, I would say that is one great union that is getting 1000 bucks and must return a whole lot of bang for that buck. I pay 3 to 4 hundred, a small portion. I have always had the freedom to work union or not. But the reason I chose a union represented shop is the better wages, that shop offered. Da, I would not think, that wage, would be offered had the union not bargained for it and the rest of their conditions. So give the union credit and do the math my gross income at the non union shop would be far less then the difference going to dues. Now you argue you have a right to work at this company. You do and that company would not be in business if the talent and skills of the union did not have a pay back over the non union competition. Wherever you work, what ever you buy, the driving force is what the market will bare. That be wages or product price on the shelf or job bid. If you want this pay, you think you are so worth and envy the union worker that you think is not as talented as you, then negotiate your conditions on your own at a non union shop and see how far you get. You want first class seating upgrade on the plane without paying the extra for first class. I like your logic and you must now push to have taxes optional just not fair dammit, I do not like how government uses MY money and don't like the people in office so I,I,I should have a selfish right to not pay my taxes. You are a selfish person and do not see all the selflessness in the union group effort!
John Richey
7:14 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Sir, that is a reaction not a response you see in your picture! You will see the response up in coming to the rape on MI I personally saw last TH! You damaged the standard of living so much in America and ALL working people. You have a small selfish mind! If a corporation advertised and represented such a lie in the way you represent your right to work, That corporation would be in court for false advertising! The peoples will was raped for the good of the corporation and that is true fascism at work! Corporations do not vote. They buy things like you. It is just business and just money. Profit is the bottom line, no humanity or feelings involved. Simple selfish greed. Shame on your manipulations and lies, sir.
L Rae Ger
8:10 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Their are two reasons the tea party nuts (notice I didn't say Republicans, because this is no longer the Republican Party we once knew) want Right to Work legislation and Act 10. First to stop American workers from making significant political donations and second is to create cheap labor. People who believe in the power of Democracy would not attack it like this. The real solution would be to repeal Citizens United and have no large donations from Unions, Pacs or the Corporations.Instead the tea party strategically remove the only voice (money is speech) of the working people. Labor has the right to organize. It is unfortunate that where union money used to go to legal representation and recruitment, now has to compete with political funds.
Brian Dey
8:32 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
LRG- There is nothing democratic about unions these days. Voting in unions cannot be on secret ballots, thus exposing anyone that opposes unionization and is subject to intimidation. Negotiated contracts take individualism out of a persons destiny. Seniority leaves newer employees vulnerable to contracts that favor the senior employee, regardless of whether the employee is a good employee or nor (ex. two-tier contracts). Unions, who had long created political action committees (PAC's) have used union dues to campaign for union friendly candidates long before the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010). And the idea of mandatory check-off of union dues and forced membership boarders on pure Marxism.
Under right to work, there is nothing that changes for Labor's right to organize, but it gives the employee the right to choose whether to belong or not. Unions have long overstepped the public trust in the government unions as evidenced by the abuse exposed during the Act 10 debate. Act 10 gave taxpayers back their rights. In the private sector, the unions ran up such incredible benefits and salaries that put alot of companies out of business, or moved them overseas. The reason the middle class disparity exists is because we artificially supported and deemed entry level jobs were worthy of $40k salaries. Your unions pushed the envelope to far, and they are to blame for the downfall of unions.
L Rae Ger
8:16 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
"Where collective bargaining is lost, freedom is lost." ~Ronald Regan
FLASHBACK: Ronald Reagan Called Union Membership ‘One Of The Most Elemental Human Rights’
"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their
right to strike.” Hitler, May 2, 1933
L Rae Ger
8:18 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
it is indisputable that the Nazis did close union offices, did confiscate union money, did put their leaders in prison. The Nazis did take away the right to strike.
L Rae Ger
8:53 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
BTW witnesses have stated that the knife was used by union members to actually get the people out from under the tent.
Your statements are very misleading. A witness also claims that the man seen initiating the tent tear down had been working inside the tent earlier.
L Rae Ger
8:55 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Either way....unions played it nice in Wisconsin. When elected officials pass extreme legislation that take rights away from extremely hard working manual laborers what do you think is going to happen?
L Rae Ger
8:56 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
In Wisconsin they were dealing with mostly teachers and healthcare workers. Meet the construction and iron workers.
c
11:36 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
Now this dimwit L Rae Ger is threatening violence? No wonder most people look down on unions and see them as ignorant ghetto thugs. Might as well drop their pants down and sleep till noon, go all out ghetto why don't ya?
Idiot.
c
9:30 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
L Rae Ger
It's funny to watch a brain washed idiot like you post your incoherent ramblings here, sort of like watching a car wreck.
And, it shows the mentality of the people on your side. Thanks for making them ALL look bad.
Avenging Angel
9:58 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012
The unions are trying to deny the workers their rights. The union bosses know that given the CHOICE, the workers will not CHOOSE union membership.
Why are you trying to deny the workers their rights!?
Stormy Weather
11:53 am on Thursday, December 13, 2012
It's time for Unions to take a step back and look at what they have become... Very sad day for America when this type of violence against a different point of view is tolerated and condoned! Shame on anyone who finds this acceptable behavior...
http://www.therightscoop.com/must-watch-steven-crowder-punched-in-the-face-by-union-thugs-in-michigan/
Blair Nielsen
12:40 pm on Thursday, December 13, 2012
I'm in the U.A.W. That being said it pissis me off that thay TAKE my 48.06$ per mo. and give it to Dems. I.E. Obama. I don't have a say, so much for "freedom". Obama din't realize how correct he was when he said "this is about politics". Duh