There you go again.

@Randy
My bad. I can't always be perfect.

I am completely against all farm subsidies. They more then anything have destroyed the family farm. As for Oil, Romney stated it best.

A tax break, or a tax cut, is a reduction in the tax revenues collected. A subsidy, however, is money given to an individual or business for a specific purpose.

In mining and the oil business they use the depletion allowance, it is is a tax break, not a subsidy. It is very similar to the deprecation allowance used for other major business assets.

Many in our government intentionally mix the concepts of tax break and subsidy to 'service'(read:prostitute) their own purpose, and ultimately to all our of disadvantage too

To understand the differences between tax breaks subsides and people should read John Locke’s Two Treatises of Government.

Kohl and Feingold were big supporters of agribusiness.

Obama continues to support oil companies by waging war in the Middle East.

Obama appoints Monsanto employees Into government position in particular assignments in charge of our food.

Facts? J.B. Schimdt runs a close second to Bryant Divelbiss in the sheer delusion department.

Ad hominems and untruths seem to be SOP for the Right.

@Randy
What facts did I get wrong?

As for the attacks, until they release his school transcripts, you cannot prove that he is smarter then his teleprompter.

If you were watching closely, J. B., President Obama made a quiet but cutting remark about Romney suddenly disavowing his tax plan -- all without the use of a teleprompter. "Never mind."

Frankly, I can't prove you're smarter than my micro-wave. The evidence seems to the contrary.

And he does it yet another time, deflect and change the subject rather than address the facts.
There you go again Randy.

@Randy
He disavowed the numbers cited Obama. He never disavowed his plan. You are parroting DNC talking points. Maybe the teleprompter would have pointed that to him. You liberals need to read the transcripts because once Obama talks your brains switch to test pattern and you simply accept everything he says.

@Randy1949 -

There you go again!

Romney did not abandon his tax plan - just because the biased secondary third party analysts, like the TPC, you, and Obama don't seem to be able to comprehend it, doesn't mean that he abandoned it! Hoffa has explained to you time and again.

Now then, if you could please explain the math of Obama's plan for us, that would be great!

It's just more excuse making. Coming to the realization that the smartest man in the world can't think on his feet and change his game plan when it proves to be faulty is very difficult for his supporters. They're just lashing out. They should actually be thanking Jim Lehrer for going beyond the call of duty and attempting to get Obama to come out of his shell and respond in a fashion that would have made him look less overwhelmed and clueless than he already did.

Instead of bashing the guy who tried to help them, they should follow the lead of Al Gore and blame the altitude in Denver. It hurts no one.

Affirmative Action takes many forms.

ALGORE said the 'altitude',but, maybe he had in mind the 'attitude';think Emily Litella.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4256

Romney was aggressive enough to not let Lehrer steer the debate in Obama's favor. Like the liberal moderators always tend to do.

I'm going to stick up for Lehrer on this one, Mau. I've always thought that Lehrer was one of the few newspeople that didn't show a bias...

Lehrer was always known to be a great moderator. Unfortunately it looks like age has got the best of him or maybe he was intimidated as Obama treated him like a replacement NFL ref.

And that onion turned out to be a real stinker.

Moochelle looked like the McDonald Land Grimace in her purple dress. Her scowl will be permanently frozen on her mug if she keeps it up.

Pennypacker: Why do you call her Moochelle?
That implies she looks like a cow.
She looks more like a penguin to me.
I am shocked they haven't put a slide out on the Presidential limo to make room for that bowling pin shape.

Moochelle=moocher

Pennypacker: OH...
oops. :-P

Let me make sure I get this straight. You have questions about Romneys tax plan, because you want to make sure you get your fair or free share?
But you have no problem with ObamaCare stealing funds from Medicare, and adding $1 Trillion of new spending each year?
I guess you like to bet your life savings in a card game without looking at your cards?

Don't frget the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of this year. Virtually every working American will pay higher taxes in 2013 unless Obama is ousted!
By 2016, expect your tax rates to double. There is no other way to pay for ObamaCare without a huge tax increase. The costs can not be added to the Nation's credit card, national security would be severely compramised.

@Bren -- Taking Mitt Romney at his word, we will have reductions in the tax rate and adjustments of deductions, meaning that some of us will be paying a lower tax rate on a higher AGI. There are going to be some winners and some losers, and who those might be is anyone's guess in the absence of hard details.

By the way, Romney has just said that his remarks about the 47% were completely wrong. Duh! It doesn't change the fact that he said them in what he assumed would be a safe environment. He's like one of those guys who will tell an offensive ethnic joke at a dinner party if he sees none of 'them' sitting around the table, only to realize too late that someone has a wife or brother-in-law in that group.

Randy I have been at one of those dinner parties.
Taking Mitt Romney at his word...
He is a man of his word, he even admits when he makes a statement that is incorrect.
The POTUS has been a liar for four years, sticking to the same story in the hopes of repetition making believers.
Actions speak louder than words, and the POTUS has shown he is a man of inaction and deceit.

@Bren
I don't believe that he ever disavowed the medical plan in Mass. That was one of the big issues that some Republican had with Romney. His point, something that all libs have trouble processing, is that Romney believes it is a state issue, not the issue of the federal government.

The difference between the panels of an insurance company and the panel of the federal government is that people can change insurance companies.

Are you claiming that $700million is not coming out of medicare by cutting the amount it pays doctors and hospital greatly decreasing the level of service?

As for rehearsed speech, how many times did the president repeat 5 trillion plus 2 trillion equals 7 trillion. That sound considerably more rehearsed, especially after Romney called it a lie. Also, doesn't Obama's stuttering and rambling give you more indication that he lacks the ability to think on his feet.

As I stated to Randy, you need to read the transcripts of the debate, because it appears that you libs flip to a test pattern in your brains when Obama speaks and simply download everything he says as absolute truth.

@Randy
So kinda of like saying that the mandate is not a tax or closing Gitmo.

@J.B. -- Neither of those implied that a segment of the population that for whatever reason has an AGI that falls short of having to pay federal income tax (combat soldiers, people with mortgages) yet use no government 'handouts' are refusing to take personal responsibility for their lives. He was flat out wrong, and either ignorant of the tax code or lying to his audience.

Refresh my memory, JB -- what happened when Obama tried to close Gitmo and house those prisoners in facilities here in the States? I recall some serious objections from the states where they'd be housed.

Randy, that seems to be the objection every time an Obama promise that's gone unfulfilled is brought up. He ran into opposition of some sort. As if that's never happened to any of his predecessors. Constantly blaming others is not a sign of leadership. Neither is sulking and refusing to meet the challenge of debate, and then blaming everyone else when your opponent is declared the winner.

@Randy
If it was such a stinging remark that could have profound consequences for Romney's campaign, why didn't Obama use it in the debate? Maybe because, while Romney stated his case poorly, the truth is a large percentage of people on the government dole are not planning to vote for Romney and there is nothing he can do to change that. Also, it is something that the other half of America finds offensive and the wrong course for the US.

As for Gitmo, it is a line that shows Obama's ignorance for government policy and how the government works. A 3rd grader could have told you that moving terrorists onto American soil was a bad idea. A high school student could have told you that a non-US citizens does not have the same rights under the constitution. Obama made a promise with little foresight. Not to mention, if it was such a great idea, why didn't his party back him when they had complete control of both houses of congress for 2 years?

I don't think Barack Obama is the first President to have an initiative that didn't make it through Congress. Bush Sr. had to raise taxes, so did Reagan. Bill Clinton didn't deliver on a healthcare plan. Bush Jr. wasn't able to privatize Social Security, although that wasn't a campaign promise. It's the nature of political life in DC.

@Bren -

Hoffa has questions about Obama's tax plan, as the math just doesn't add up. How does Obama reach a balanced budget under his tax plan and create private sector jobs while reducing government dependency? Could you please explain it for us, walking us through the numbers?

@Randy1949 -

Once again, your upset that Romney's campaign is targeting federal income tax payers, but not upset that Obama's campaign plays the race card in pandering specifically to African Americans.

Sorry, but that's messed up!

Romney's 47% comment = applies to everyone premised solely on economic reality
African Americans for Obama = RACIST

Hoffa would rather support a non-racist.

@Hoffa -- Please give me that link again where President Obama supposedly targets African-American voters and no one else. I'd appreciate it.

@Randy1949 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU

Hoffa has scoured the internet, but is unable to find any White Americans for Obama, Latin Americans for Obama, Asian Americans for Obama, Native Americans for Obama, Indian Americans for Obama, Pakistani Americans for Obama, Australian Americans for Obama, Aboriginal Americans for Obama, Eskimo Americans for Obama, etc.

Clearly, Obama has targeted his campaign upon a racial qualifier in reaching out solely and uniquely to African Americans, while not doing the same for any other racial or ethnic group.

Obama = Racist in Chief!

How can you openly support such a bigoted racist?

BTW - Still waiting for you to explain Obama's plan for us!

https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/join-african-americans-for-obama?source=OM2012_LB_YT_desc_afampotusvid&subsource=youtube&utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=afampotusvid_desc

http://www.facebook.com/pages/BlacksAfro-Americans-for-Mitt-Romney/231659056888330

http://www.barackobama.com/african-americans?source=primary-nav

http://www.barackobama.com/lgbt/

http://www.barackobama.com/asian-americans-pacific-islanders

That's at least two minorities other than African-Americans right there on the Obama/Biden website. I guess he's not as racist as you think. I din't even really 'scour' the net, just used Google.

http://www.barackobama.com/native-americans

There's your Aboriginal Americans, Hoffa.

@Randy1949 -

Hoffa expects to see equal treatment from someone who claims to be for every American equally.

Romney at least targets them all in the same way, with equal treatment.

Obama made a video and gave a lofty speech for African Americans. So, where's the equal treatment from Obama for the other races/ethnicities?

Obama = Racist in Chief!

Exactly who is the judge of "what is the best and the brightest"?

Anybody ever record any of Obama's remarks he makes behind closed door? Anybody who picks Mr. Angry Mouth Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff has to approve of his behavior and comments.

@JRH, white groups are not allowed in America. They are racist.