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Is Manhood Itself on the Line in the Gun-Regulation Debate?

A dynamic, long-apparent relative to the reasoning and language used in this very decisive debate about gun control and gun-related violence is to be seen in the machismo rhetoric and language coming from the mouths of many of the "stasis" proponents.

Charlton Heston is dead, I think, but his famous grizzled over-the-top challenge to Al Gore, resonates deeply in the chests of many of our citizens:

"So, as we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed, and especially for you, Mr. Gore: 'From my cold, dead hands!'"

Gun legislation is equivalent to many with "taking their freedoms away," and the famous actor's implication is that, if a vice president wants to restrict his use of weapons, he will only succeed after a lethal gun battle. He nearly challenged the VP to a duel. Of course Chuck was President of the NRA at the time, so this was not simply the voice of a befuddled old actor trying to make the most of a soliloquy.

Charleton spoke for a huge political pro-gun power and the applause must have been thunderous. This kind of over the top dramatic grandstanding combined with fear mongering that usually precedes it, as it did in the case of Heston's speech, can happen on EITHER side of this discussion.

Pro-regulation activists can take it too far, implying that every gun owner is a violent reactionary, a Neanderthal that has no place in contemporary society. This insults Neanderthals as well, btw. The fringe of the pro-stasis crowd, own the other hand, neo-nazis, survivalists, preppers and the like, get extreme with their taunts, sweeping in assessments of all who do not goose step to their tune, and their language is blindered to any grasp of the spectrum of thought on this issue.

Today's blog looks at the gun regulation and violence issue from a slightly different angle. In what sense does the gun debate, to use simple words, mirror or mix with contemporary American concepts of what it means to be an adult male? I have been blogging on issues linked to guns, violence, war, peace, non-violence, since I signed on at Patch.com and my experience is that, quite often, the replies and comments run across the street from the issue to a CONTEST of MALENESS.

I should begin by stating very clearly at the outset that I am a man. You can ask my mother or anyone who knows me. I say this, both to reveal my bias but also because in this country (at least) when a man speaks up or takes action for non-violence, for peace, against wars, for better gun-regulation or even, in the current discussions, for trying to LESSEN gun violence, a significant part of the opposition will question his MALENESS ... or maybe more concisely, challenge his MANHOOD.

I found myself in this situation at a young age when, during what turned out to be the waning years of the Vietnam War, I filed for and eventually was awarded CO status, appealing the initial rejection and persisting with my stance that I would not agree to kill people I regarded as my brothers and sisters due to my religious training.

I can assure you that if you don't want to burn Asian peasant when your country says "go" a lot of people will determine you are a coward along with an anti-American, and most certainly that you are not a man. So over the years I have become used to this position and dynamic. Enough about me however! If there is anyone who has the pulse of the greater cross section of people who buy guns in mind, it should be those who advertise the weapons they are considering buying. Politicians certainly are good at telling us what we want to hear, and Heston was functioning in that capacity with his challenge, but the people with the most deeply vested interest in tapping into the gun buyers psyche are the manufacturers.

They hire the best ad people they can access to come up with campaigns that are most likely to hit the hot buttons of would be customers. This matters a lot to them. The results are worth billions give or take. So I thought, why not google up some reputable manufacturers and checkout what they believe will speak to the greater balance of their clientele and will draw in new buyers. Surely they must know what sells the weapons. I started with the "Bushmaster AR 15", by now, a household term for it's most infamous recent application in the slaughter of twenty first grade children. You might expect, to go by the rhetoric of many proponents of stasis regarding laws, that Bushmaster would carefully be scripting their message in rational fashion for intelligent mature law abiding folks, male and female, who merely are interested in the admittedly rare but possible event that they would be accosted and have to defend themselves with a gun. Let's see what language Bushmaster uses.

The Bushmaster ACR, adaptive COMBAT rifle, in it's very name suggests, not defense, but military conflict and war. Never mind the potential double entendre of the company name, "Bushmaster," the category of weapon here is defined in part by the word combat. This is no surprise as Bushmaster supplies weapons to the militaries of more than fifty countries and the design was a military design initially. The second page of the Bushmaster 2011 catalogue is a very fascinating image I wish all of you, those who haven't seen it, would take a look at.

You can download the catalogue here.

TO MY AMAZEMENT, it features a young black man, with some sort of weapon at his side, reading some sort of small book. He is intent on the reading. Is that a Bushmaster at his side? Is Bushmaster, in a once a year catalogue, advertising first and foremost to the young black demographic? What does the copy read? Surely there is clarification. In BOLD FACE TYPE, are the simple cryptic words ... ANY PROBLEM ONE SOLUTION. The young man is wearing a tan or olive drab shirt ... he may be a soldier ... a good guy ... But if that is the intention WHY DON'T THEY SPELL THIS OUT CLEARLY ... put a helmet on the guy, an insignia, battle jacket or a war zone backdrop?

Even in the case that Bushmaster had NO IDEA how potentially outrageous that ad could look, how EASILY it could be mistaken, in that case this message is still clear: any problem may be resolved with this solution: an AR15. I personally think the "problem" suggested or intentionally or at least consciously left as a distinct possibility is that a young black man is reading a manual for the weapon at his side. It's a play to the great archetypal white racist fear of the armed and dangerous young black male.

That, of course, is MY opinion. But that a major arms manufacturer's ad agency would not consider that SOME of their customer base might read this from the ad would frankly be beyond my belief. On page four in red bold face the weapon is described as, "one rifle for an infinite number of extreme scenarios." I don't think hunting, unless you are hunting bear or a dangerous predator, presents the extreme scenarios a combat weapon was designed for, nor are they speaking to hunting scenarios. IMO. ONE of their many AR offerings, by the away, is called a "Bushmaster Hunters Rifle," thrydo make a Varmit rifle,etc. presumably to attract those primarily interested in hunting with this weapon. Bushmaster" A-TACs Predator" rifles are "coated in A-TACs digital camoflauge for superior concealment." Presumably not concealment from coyotes that are being fired upon I think. They would be busy vaporizing.

Bushmaster ORC Carbines (tell me they are not using the completely malevolent bad guys from the hobbit movies as names for their weapons) are touted in red type with the words: "Any optics. Any purpose. Anywhere." p 11 On page 18 we find the Bushmaster ACR Patrol, which according to the red face type, "with it's 161/2 inch cold hammer-forged barrel and AAC blackout flash suppressor is perfect for the law enforcement professional." Are law enforcement professionals the only people allowed to buy this weapon? And who needs blackout flash suppression? A hunter or a sportsman shooting targets? Surely not someone merely defending themselves in a home intrusion. In a room it's going to be pretty obvious where you are once you pull the trigger if not before. Of course, beyond what is, to my mind, a borderline subliinal racist fear mongering ad...the only picture ad with a human in the manual happens to be that of an armed young black male (why not have his white soldier buddy with?), the catalogue is a catalogue and is long on specs.

Advertising camapigns for the company are where they go in your face with the macho bull shit. Consider Bushmasters "Man Card" campaign. A quick click on this link takes you to the essence of their efforts to attract buyers, manly men. If you found the young black male with the weapon equivocal, this man card approach will come across much more clearly. On the backside of the man card the text begins, "The bearer oft oscars has averted humiliation." it goes on, "Today (evidently when you get your Bushmaster Man Card), he is a man." I have to agree with the author of this piece on salon.com. "There are lots of reasons to own guns: Hunting, self-defense, clinging purposes, but also to bolster your deflated sense of masculinity. This is not some glib liberal notion about how men only buy guns to compensate for their inadequacies, this is the explicit aim of an ad campaign from Bushmaster, the maker of the assault rifle that was used to kill 27 people last week in Connecticut." Later, after describing the test one must take to qualify for the card,he notes, "But watch out, manly friends.

Don’t let those emotions show or that glass be full of anything but non-light beer, because your buddies can “revoke” your Man Card at any point. Revokable offenses include being a “crybaby,” a “coward,” a “cupcake” (we have no idea what that means either), having a “short leash” (presumably thanks to a wife or girlfriend), or being just generally “unmanly” (this one has a woman icon)." And this is the angle on the conversation I would like to begin..... What in gods name does manhood have to do with whether or not we pursue strickter or clearer gun regulation in this country?

ann

2:24 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian, it appears to me that you are comfortable with your "un-manliness". Why force your version of manhood on other men? Personally, I would rather have someone who is comfortable with guns and hunting in the same house when a burglar enters than someone like you.

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Brian Carlson

3:23 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Ann, is raising a question forcing an idea of manliness on anyone? Did I claim to be UN-manly? Do you know anything about me beyond the fact that I am interested in modifications to already existing gun restrictions?

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$$andSense

8:35 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

All Brian needs to do is get himself imprisoned for some ridiculous act and then petition the state for a sex change operation. Presto! Brian becomes Brianna!

Bob McBride

3:17 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Well there appears to be plenty of gender confusion to go around. This sounds more like a guy thing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/brenda-schumann-poop-floor-husband-woman_n_2432704.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

You certainly are obsessed with this whole gun issue, Brian. Face it, they're here to stay. Nobody's getting rid of them and banning any particular type, if demand still exists, will only drive the market into an area impossible to regulate. I don't own guns, don't like them, wouldn't own one and yet I don't feel any less of a man for not insisting that because I don't like them and think they're dangerous, nobody else should be allowed to own them if they can handle them responsibly. I'm man enough to admit that my take on the issue isn't necessarily correct for everyone and I don't feel the need to repeatedly push it on everyone else. You should try that. It'll put hair on your chest.

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Brian Carlson

3:26 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

BOB HELLLLOOOO BOB!!!! I have not asked for or suggested a ban on guns! How many times to I have to reassure you boys that I am not trying to ban all guns, disarm you so that you can't defend yourselves, etc? Have I said my take on the issue is correct for everyone? I am inviting a conversation I am not the Czar of Weapons here! I am no one.

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Bob McBride

3:37 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

So you're okay with it being legal to own semi-automatic weapons with appropriate registration, licensing, etc? You just have a problem with your interpretation of WHY folks want to own the guns and how they're marketed to folks who own them and whether or not someone owns one as compensation for being less than well endowed in a particular part of their anatomy or whatever?

If the answer to the first question is "yes", then what's with all the concern you expressed above about the stuff I mentioned in the second?

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Brian Carlson

4:50 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Bob, I am not big on semi automatic weapons but I am also aware many people think they need them. My dad hunted with bolt action weapons and did fine with them. Dad was a war hero, seriously decorated who participated in, among other things, the Normandy invasion. He had 50 calibers in his turret but when it came to geese and home defense, he was good with a single shot bolt action.
I think that the magazines should be limited to ten rounds, that the illegal weapons trade should be part of NRAs big concern if it isn't, that the gun manufacturers might start giving a damn who their weapons are marketed to and get off the marketing shticks that propose manhood to AR15 buyers. The Bushmaster is ONE solution to ANY problem???? What does that message to someone like the CT shooter? I think this national conversation is overdue and that we need to talk about better legislation, licensing, waiting periods, how to screen for mental health issues, etc. I think our churches, synagogues, mosques and temples should get on paper with statements about violence that are something more than "thoughts and prayers," and I am outraged that twenty first graders had to meet a completely unnecessary but intentional death at gunpoint. I think improvements not only can be made but will be made and I am not good with accepting the mass shootings as collateral damage that come with having a constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

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Craig

4:57 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I think we should have background checks, Licensing with ID, Waiting periods, and mental health exams before people should be allowed to vote !

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Bob McBride

5:45 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

As, no doubt, has been pointed out repeatedly, the CT shooter used a gun that was obtained legally by someone else. There's no evidence he was goaded into doing what he did by an advertisement for the Bushmaster.

The problem with the national discussion at the moment is that, once again, we have people assuming that if we only regulate or ban certain types of weapons, that's all we have to do. That will not prevent another CT. If the targets remain as vulnerable as that one, people intent on going out in a blaze of glory to secure themselves a place in history will find some other method to use and they'll gain access to the potential victims as easily as did this guy.

Would CT have been more acceptable if - say - only 6 kids died? Because, assuming you took away the larger magazines and some of the kinds of weapons people want banned, but did nothing about fortifying the target facility and insisted that said facility publicly proclaim itself "gun free", that's what you're looking at.

I'm with you on tightening up sales and registration. I'd also like to see mandatory education, licensing, insurance, different types of licenses for different types of weapons - basically, apply all the rules and regs associated with car ownership and operation to guns. But basically that's just on principle. I don't for a moment think that any of that would prevent something like what happened in CT.

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$$andSense

8:40 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Bob

Brian hasn't posted anything of substance about solving the issue. He just likes to blab. When he starts up his next coffee shop, he can schedule "talk sessions" wherein everyone can have a cup 'o joe and pontificate over whatever he wants to go over. Likely related to firearms. We will see.

ann

3:25 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

The fact that you are an admitted draft dodger says it all sir.

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Brian Carlson

3:28 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Ann, are women not real women if they aren't handy with guns? What if a woman wants to see less gun related violence and actively works toward that? What is she? Not a woman or UN-womanly?

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Brian Carlson

3:31 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Ann, if I was an admitted draft dodger, which I am not, what would it say? Finish your thought. The legal status I received through legal processes was not draft dodging.... But finish your thought please.

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Craig

3:52 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian you should have mentioned the CT shooting a little more.
The crazy killer stole the weapon from a WOMAN.
Something tells me she bought the weapon for other reasons than to compensate for a small penis.
Low T is a lot cheaper to treat with a prescription, THAN BUYING AN ASSAULT RIFLE.
I think you went waaaay out there and are reaching pretty far with this.
A flash suppressor is useful in night time combat situations, so as not to blind the shooter.. Kind of fits in the situation where limp wristed zombies are coming for you at night, in an attempt to make you one of them.
I do not see anything wrong with young black men owning any weapons.

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Mike Itzenhuiser

5:33 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

It's time to give that CT shooting a rest Craig. It happened and it's done.

Greg

3:58 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I like guns, I enjoy shooting sports. I don't think it has anything to do with being manly, but I am OK with it if it does. Do weapon manufacturers target a certain demographic? Yes, but so does every other product manufacturer. I could critique an ad for a Ford Mustang and come to similar conclusions.
BTW, I shoot with some women that are far from manly.

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John G Money

4:02 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

If you people stop commenting on his posts he will go away. He titles them to deliberatly incite people because in the glory of his un manliness this gives him pleasure in his life.
He is blog Troll yet he is writing the blogs. Farewell Brian I shall never read or comment on your posts again.

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Craig

4:10 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Thanks for the mammaries.

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Brian Carlson

4:20 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Well John G.... That's the first time you have used that name. You are backing up the thesis that gun ownership and anti gun regulation is somehow related in many people's mind to manliness since you say I am glorying in my UN-manliness. I actually believe manhood has zero to do with owning a gun , with being pro NRA or being ok with the current level of gun-violence. I can't say I will miss you because you have never written under this name....maybe you could add some of the other masks I will no longer hear from.

Luke

4:04 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Has anyone provided an operational definition of "manhood" yet? What am I supposed to be criticizing or defending, other than gonads?

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Bob McBride

4:07 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Those and that other thing right there. Otherwise it's like owning ammo without a gun.

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Brian Carlson

4:24 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Luke, do real men need to own guns,do they need to defend the status quo in gun legislation. Do guns make you feel like a real man? Do you think of men who do not approve gun laws as they stand as cowards, sissies, cupcakes....whatever else was on the MAN CARD?

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Luke

11:03 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian,

I don't know anyone who thinks they need to own a gun to be/feel like a man. I've never owned one, but I did once feel the need to have one buried in my yard, in another country. And I was ready to use it.

Steve ®

4:06 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

/Brian's obsession

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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ann

4:12 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Brian=The Lady.

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Brian Carlson

4:30 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Ann, that's a vote for the distinct connection in perception between pro gun stances and masculinity. I appreciate your candor. I will add something that I learned from my study of state repression in Argentina. At the front of the resistance, standing up against the generals and the police, risking arrest, severe torture and nearly certain death, was a group of women....unarmed women. You should read up on the Madres de la Plaza de Mayo, if you want to learn about courage.

Brian Carlson

4:31 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

There is, btw, another respondent who frequently uses that style Ann.
Something = something. Not a woman.

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Brian Carlson

8:50 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Dollars and Scents does that I think. Do you know each other?

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$$andSense

10:06 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

No. Just shorthand the free world uses on the internet.

Avenging Angel

4:56 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Where do I begin to respond to this misogynist, racist, rant? Your thinly veiled insult to gun owners is disgusting. By your view, we are frightened, imbecilic, racist war mongers who are unsure of our manhood. I would have a two word response if you were standing in front of me.

BTW, I am proud of the lives I SAVED in Viet Nam, but I'm sure that realization could never cross your mind.

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Lyle Ruble

5:08 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

@Avenging Angel....I don't see Brian's response to ann as being misogynistic or racist. She was the one who threw insults at him. I don't think that his accusation of obsessed gun owners was all that veiled. As outraged and defensive as you seem, he must have described you fairly well.

Am I to assume that you were a "Dust Off" crewman, physician, medic or corpsman during your service in Nam? I know that I took my share of lives and that's not my proudest moment. Your service was just service, nothing more, nothing less.

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Brian Carlson

5:11 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

AV A.... Please tell me first where I seem to be misogynist. That astonishes me. Secondly will you quote me stating that you or "we" are " frightened, imbecillic war mongers? " I am asking a question in my blog... inviting conversation. you are welcome to stand in front of me as I am quite accessible in this town. I respect my friends who are vets in all wars, including my father. I don't argue that you imagined what you were doing was protecting our country and saving lives but two million plus Vietnamese died along with sixty thousand of our good young people, among them a few of my friends, for absolutely no gain...save the gain of the military industrial complex. Saving lives can also involve avoiding wars, particularly pointless wars.

Lyle Ruble

4:56 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

@Brian Carlson....Even though I served in Vietnam; I salute your position on the War and that you fought for your CO status. To me, that took more courage than taking off for Canada or staying in school to maintain your student status.

I think, the definition of manliness is culturally derived and is conditionally determined based on a number of factors, including locale. What makes a male manly in Boston, New York or San Fransisco is much different from Milwaukee, Waukesha or Hayward, not to mention the definition of manliness in Houston or Dallas.

The characteristics associated with manliness changes over time and the social environment. The men in most demand, are now the "Geeks". It seems that younger men, under the age of thirty, are not tied to the traditional stereotype of manhood like the past.

In my initial studies in psychology and psycho-dynamics, it was heavily influenced by Freud. His take on gun ownership had a great deal to do with compensation for feelings of male inadequacies just as smoking cigars was compensation for latent homosexuality. Currently we laugh at some of these psych-sexual correlations and as Groucho famously stated: "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"! However, those that are obsessed with firearms, there is definitely something else going on, which for many is far from being healthy and could be an indication of OCD.

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Craig

5:01 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

ROFLMAO...
This just in: Buying a weapon may be a way to treat homosexuality caused by smoking cigars.
Brian; Now there is an advertising campaign.

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Brian Carlson

5:16 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Lyle, I respect you as a vet and am sorry that we were involved in that war. As you know, the blog isn't about Vietnam, but the issue of the appeal of weapons tied to masculinity seems borne out already in a few responses to this question. Certainly the ads are all full of machismo imagery and language. Car ads, depending on the car may do the same... But machismo is certainly thriving in America... I think it does pertain to the violence question which certainly overlaps guns.

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Craig

5:16 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Wouldn't it be discrimination if one were to suggest a homosexual buy a Bushmaster?
Perhaps the new marketing plan will be to market them to lesbians.

Brian Carlson

5:19 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Come on.... Fess up. Don't you feel like tough hombres when you are shredding targets on the range with your AKs? Doesn't that glock underneath the seat of your car make you feel like a serious contender, one kick ass dude?

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Avenging Angel

5:21 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Lyle, I wasn't describing his response to ann. I am describing the tenor of his post. From what he has written, it is apparent to me that Brian's question regarding guns and manhood completely dismisses the millions of Woman who are gun owners, hence a misogynist stance.

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Brian Carlson

5:28 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Angel, as an activist artist, I spent over two years of my life working on a project having to do with violence against women. The theme of that work included that women are the largest under protected group of humans on the planet, that if we are going to appoint ourselves as protectors of people's rights and freedoms we should begin with women, not chase to distant countries trying to give people their rights. A misogynist I am not.

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Lyle Ruble

5:47 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

@Avenging Angel...It may be that millions of women own firearms, but you have to admit that traditionally firearms are associated with males.

Brian Carlson

5:25 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I am not dismissing women at all! Bushmaster is with their frigging Man Cards! Tell me where I dismissed her. I asked her questions. I would love it if more women chimed in on a debate the concerns them as much as men.

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WPN1488

8:08 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Manhood has nothing to do with firearms. Raising a boy to become a man has never been easy, but today it’s extremely hard. Boys need heroes to exemplify the eternal qualities of manhood: honor, duty, valor, and integrity. Because of the radical Progressive government policies forced upon us for decades too many boys and men waste time in pointless and soulless activities (Visual and Performing Artist, Human Rights Activist, Arts Educator) unmindful of their responsibilities, uncaring in their pursuits.

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Brian Carlson

8:21 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

White Power guy... so..wait. Are you saying I am not a man? That I have no honor, duty, valor or integrity? Or just that I wasted my life in pointless and soulless activities? That I was unmindful, irresponsible and uncaring? Which? Any reasons for disrespecting all my vocations?

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Lyle Ruble

8:42 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

@White Power Nation 14/88...So how long does it take to teach hate to your son/s?

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$$andSense

9:23 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

WPN

Excellent observation! Our son is involved with martial arts, archery, firearms training, passed hunter safety, regular range practice, trap shooting, hunting, fishing, carpentry, auto mechanics, cooking, weight lifting and other reasonable, safe and healthy life activities befitting our midwestern way of life. He also has developed some artistic skills but cares not for music. Carlson would likely say my wife and I are raising a monster that will kill someday.

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Lyle Ruble

6:51 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

@$$andSense....Sounds as if your son is training for special ops.

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Craig

9:43 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I would say that he is training his son to be a well rounded adult.

AWD

8:16 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

A little advice for the ladies...Show respect to your husband. In your son's eyes, his Father must be the mighty Viking! A figure of honesty and braveness! In my travels I see far too many men being disrespected by their wives. If you’re not careful you will raise a very weak Visual and Performing Artist, Human Rights Activist, Arts Educator, Non-aligned Observer for a son.

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Brian Carlson

8:24 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Well my ancestors may have been Vikings but I believe they were in part known for their success in destroying other peoples, aggression, rape, pillaging and the like. Pretty good with boats but the other stuff isnt anything I want my son to emulate. Oh god....just read the last line. Now I am VERY WEAK on top of the rest! If that wasn't coming from two guys who fear being identified I might take it personally. But you guys are building the case for the blogs thesis.... Its a macho macho world...at least in words.

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Lyle Ruble

8:43 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

@Angry White Dude...So what if your husband and your son/s father isn't worthy of respect?

Brian Carlson

8:40 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Oh shoot. AWD! I didnt get that that was a FOOTBALL reference! You want to be a mighty VIKING! Ok...sorry. I would have taken you for a Packer fan. Well, as you may imagine, I am not really up on football either which is tantamount to being areligious in this state. Hey now, do you think there is anything macho about the violence in football or is that just people defending themselves rationally as well? Do you get off on the hits? Love the concussions? Fantasize about what you would do if you were up against the nemesis Green Bay Packers?

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Brian Carlson

8:45 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Any minute now we should see some homophobic statements popping into the mix. Lyle, are you sure that stuff Freud was onto has been tabled? The guys here seem to think I am not a man due to my views on improving weapons regulation.
Pretty soon one will call me a woman I bet...

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Craig

9:53 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I cracked a homophobic joke Brian, but it wasn't a shot at your manhood.
Actually it takes more balls to have the unpopular side in a heated argument, especially when you are outnumbered 3-1.

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Craig

7:10 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Brian, FYI- that was a compliment.

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Craig

7:33 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

You are welcome. I know you want what is best for all of us as do I.
We differ on what it takes to get there,
But make no mistake, we all want a better world.
Sadly, the argument about gun control will still be raging when the next crazed lunatic strikes yet again.

$$andSense

8:57 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian. your early posting:

"..that the illegal weapons trade should be part of NRAs big concern if it isn't.."

"Fast and Furious" mean anything to you? The US gov't, under the direction of the BATF and POS AG Holder providing weapons to the Mexican drug cartels? The NRA has been all over this to hold the Obama administration accountable and the "official" stance has been the age old excuse of "plausible deniability". Get a telescope Brian as your head is so far up your rectum you need it to see the reality of what our current gov't is trying to craft to give people like you more reason to attack the second amendment. Or are you just playing conveniently stupid on this one too?

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Brian Carlson

10:36 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Dollar, I just decided looking back at your comments that, as you persist in trying to insult me, there is really no reason to respond to you. Talk with your pals but I don't respect your conversational style and there is no need to dignify it with any response. Write your own blog if you have something to say.

Avenging Angel

8:59 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Don't know why this was stuck in "pending approval"

Brian, the tenor of your post links gun ownership with manhood. That fact alone is a misogynist stance, and, yes, I wish more of the Patch's woman readers would chime in. It probably is not intentional, but I believe that stance is indeed misogynist, just as is the gun companie's target marketing.

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Brian Carlson

10:40 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Av A, sorry you take it that way. I have said nothing against women here nor have I attacked any women nor implied that any men are women like, in some lame attempt to try to humiliate them. Please specifically point out where misogyny comes in. I don't get it. The title of the blog is specifically about a possible relationship between concepts of maleness and opinions toward gun regulation and gun violence. I am not talking about women. That would be another blog.

GearHead

9:22 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I have to dispute your entire (long) premise. Manliness is not on the line. But my (and your) 2A rights are. Now we face the specter of Obama lecturing the NRA in the WH about how these gun control laws are going to go down, while putting Biden out there saying he'll take the Exec Order route if he doesn't get what he wants. Too Chicago-ish for my blood. You wonder why we are concerned over Gestapo tactics? Please don't confuse that with manliness. Where have you been the last four years? Now we get Obama unplugged.

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Brian Carlson

10:41 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Gearhead. Thanks for the opinion. That is what I was asking for.

Bob McBride

7:13 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I think I'm going to write Bushmaster and ask them, point blank (no pun intended) if they're intentionally taunting Brian Carlson - activist, artist and non-aligned fat-fingering iPad user - with their MAN CARD ads. I'll suggest that great offense has been taken by Mr Carlson and that if they haven't seriously considered the effect their ad campaigns have on gentlefolk like Mr. Carlson, they should. While they may not know it, Mr. Carlson has been repeatedly subjected to insults regarding his manhood in lesser forums and now feels he's being ridiculed on a national level. I'm going to suggest that, before he starts questioning his own manhood, it would be advisable for Bushmaster and other purveyors of high speed, rapid fire projectile launchers (the "g" word elicits bad vibes) to refrain from any further mention of MAN CARDS.

That is all. Hope this helps. Please return to your art projects.

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Brian Carlson

7:53 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bob, I am working on my art projects. Why is mockery the chief tool so many of you on the thread employ in conversation? My art projects overlap my human rights work. You will be able to see the current one in the March issue of M Magazine.

I have taken you for one of the more intelligent and rational in the group. I am sorry this is your big move here.... trying to dismiss fairly well written content about a problem at the forefront of public attention by a character attack is a sad statement. Over half the country believes something has to change on the gun issue and the split isn't hard and fast down party lines so this "liberal vs conservative" bs really doesn't address the demographics of opinion. I am not offended by the Man Cards. I think they symbolize something. You are smart enough to grasp this. I am looking at the nature of the mentality behind the proliferation of specifically military designs in weapons among the civilian population, the sort of appeals these weapons are market on, and asking if the machismo pitch is tapped into a significant part of the American mentality. I believe it is.... Look at Black Ops 2 video sales. Tell me that a lot of under twenty five something's aren't getting off fantasizing about killing people with the selection of weapons, selection of enemies, selection of scenarios. It's a battle simulator for gods sake and it sells like wildfire. Bushmaster is a tame example. Go to cheaperthandirt.com, to the secondary markets.

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Bob McBride

8:43 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Once again, Brian, there's wondering why it's happening (enough theories that if we took them all up we'd have no time for anything else) and there's doing things to minimize, to the best of ones ability, the chances of another one happening. That isn't done by regulating guns, trying to focus on machismo, video games, mental health issues, etc. That's done by hardening the defense of the targets. That's the truth. That's what's always done, that's what works. If that's truly your issue, that's truly the answer.

Base on what I've seen of your posts and repeated references, it isn't. It's a situation you're using to promote your stance on anti-violence. By taking advantage of this situation to promote your obsession with trying to turn the world into something it will never, I repeat, never, be, you're essentially victimizing the victims once again.

Like many on the left, you'll circle a problem with theory and wishful thinking and refuse to look at the nuts and bolts of the situation and address it head on, because it's hard and distasteful to do so. It's very easy to sit up in Port Washington and rue the state of the world, make art about it and then get upset when people point out that you're expending whatever energy you put into it to no avail.

If you don't like it, don't do blogs. This isn't school. Nobody's required to absorb and regurgitate what you're putting out there for a good grade.

Brian Carlson

9:18 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bob, if your suggestion is what has always been done, may I suggest to you it isn't working well enough and that many overlapping aspects are being explored and are being worked on. There is no silver bullet here Bob. I have a friend in CT who said that in Fairfield CT the day kids came back to school they began to drill in lock down lock out. The little kids were told what happened and then had to stack their desks against the door to practice keeping a manaical killer out... Someone who could appear anytime to slaughter them for no reason at all. I drilled as a child for nuclear attacks, what we thought of as "bombs." we were told the Russians might attack us any time and that if we bent over and covered the back of our necks we would be ok. You can't even logistically harden the schools in this country to prevent this... Explain what it would take to harden one average elementary school so as to prevent any possible attack. I stood in Oklahoma City next to what was left of the Murrah Building a week after that fertilizer bomb ruined much of an eight block area of town and decimated that structure. So Bob, the problem requires looking at every facet of what goes into violence, not just mass killings but all the individual ones, all the aggravated assaults all the assaults etc... It DOES require dialogue on all of these issues as they all play into the issue. It does require doing something new in many cases, not something old and proven ineffective.

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Young Conservative

9:34 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

You know Brian, for someone in your age group, I am amazed that you have such a child like view of the world, of good and evil. You seem to think you have all of the answers, but you are as clueless as an infant. There is evil in this world, there always has been. Get used to it.

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Brian Carlson

11:22 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

YC... I appreciate the news. I had no idea there was evil in the world.

Brian Carlson

9:38 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I am using a situation to promote my position on anti-violence? I am talking, Bob, about violence as have many many people far more significant than me. Some of these people Bob are revered, Christ, Buddha, Ghandi, and countless disciples and followers of the same. The fact that there is evil in the world and ignorance, and that people perpetually will make bad decisions, does not, to my mind, cause me to want to join in in their evil, the madness, the ongoing destructiveness. I believe humans can learn and can improve. There is no point whatsoever to religion, to virtues, to ethics nor even to law, if human kind must lower itself to the methods of the lowest common denominator, must match the worst of our examples. I am not stuck on Sandy Hook Bob, nor a stupid campaign by one gun company. But when twenty first graders are shredded by a popular military style killing machine, readily available to any nut, yes... I do speak to that issue Bob. Ask any of the parents of those children if I AM VICTIMIZING THEIR CHILDREN! What an insulting and ridiculous assertion.

You are quite right on the last point. You have no obligation to read what I write or to comment on it. This begs the question....why do you? And why do the handful of Die Hard gun stasis advocates on this blog keep telling me to shut up after trying all their stock arguments and character shots on me? And why dont you write your own blog Bob? Apparently you know the true answers..the nuts and bolts.

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Brian Carlson

9:38 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I don't only blog Bob. I teach. I have taught at UW Milwaukee, UW Greenbay, Beloit College, the Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design and in the UW College System as well as at institutions outside of Wisconsin. Teaching is a powerful action.
I participate in protests. I write letters. I write music, and perform it. I use the skills I have actively to speak to isssues which seem very important to me and for no monetary gain. My work has been exhibited nationally and has begun to receive attention internationally... I have taken it to Argentina. I am not famous at all and that isn't the issue here. But I am not just sitting in Port Washington thlinking out loud Bob.

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Bob McBride

10:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Teaching is not supposed to be "a powerful action" and if you're dragging your politics and personal beliefs into it or using your position to push your "art" that attempts to do the same, then you're misusing the privilege of your position.

I didn't say you only blogged. I said if you expect to be able to blog and not have some of your ridiculous notions challenged, you might wish to reconsider your participation in the activity.

You get no points for participating in protests, writing letters, writing music and performing it. You do that for your own personal enjoyment. Again, you probably have no idea whether or not your message gets across and, even if it does, whether or not it changes anything. Once again, dancing around the issue. No practical applicable solutions, just complaints, wishful thinking and unrealistic expectations. So don't drag that out as an accomplishment. I've done some of that myself and it serves no greater purpose than the enjoyment people get out of it at the moment or as a means of venting. Seriously, get over yourself.

Brian Carlson

11:29 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Thanks Bob. I am not. You spend an awful lot of time making assumptions about me, criticizing me for this and that, and yet you don't know me at all. I expect challenges and hope to hear many opinions. That is what conversations are for. I answer most challenges although, lately, if a respondent is consistently into character attacks in several of my blogs I see little reason to give them my time and serious consideration. You have not been in that group.
I don't need points from you Bob... What I do with my life and energies really aren't to get your approval.
Bob, one question...as you discount all that I do as ineffective nonsense essentially that misses the point and has no significant effect...will you share your proactive effective agenda with us? Certainly you must be getting a lot done to dismiss me so completely.

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Bob McBride

12:40 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I haven't really spent that much time on it, Brian.

This will be the third time in which I've mentioned that the solution involves fortifying the target, not running around in circles trying to uncover needles in the haystack. You haven't responded to that challenge - once. For the issue at hand, which is attempted prevention of the kinds of things that happened in CT, that is the most reliable, most effective method of preventing or minimizing the ability of assailants to make victims of innocent children.

You bristle at being accused of using this situation to promote your agenda, yet 3 posts above this one you wander, once again, all around the world citing other champions of non-violence and then throw this in at the end....

"But when twenty first graders are shredded by a popular military style killing machine, readily available to any nut, yes... I do speak to that issue Bob."

So which is it, Brian? Is this about Sandy Hook? Is it not? Is it about your never ending, pointless crusade, or is it about 21 kids who got shredded and how we best prevent that from happening again? Because if it's the former, then consider the fortification option which you've ignored repeatedly and answer the "challenge". If it's the latter, then stop circling the bodies of those innocent kids like a vulture looking for an opportunity to nourish your obsession.

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Brian Carlson

12:45 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bob, you are big on commands. Long on dismissals.

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Bob McBride

1:04 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

3 strikes and you're out, Brian. Or rather, I'm out.

Brian Carlson

12:20 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bob, teaching is one of the most powerful of actions. Helping people to maximize their potentials in a given field, encouraging them to broaden their horizons, to be aware of and learn from history and helping them to lay the foundation for their adult lives can effect change, will promote well being and ideally leads to progress. Education is the best hope for the future and teachers work in the midst of that arena. Why should it NOT BE powerful! What rule book do you have there Bob?

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Bob McBride

12:29 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The one that says I plop you down in a suburb and your kids do exceptionally well. I plop you down in an inner city school and not so much. Where's the power in that, Brian? Who's really responsible for whether or not someone maximizes their potential? You're a cog in the wheel, doing what's expected of you - hopefully successfully - but let's not overstate the importance.

Brian Carlson

12:42 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

12:41 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Bob...I said "help" people to maximize their potential. I do not speak in black and white nor think that way. Why is your conversation about me? I get so many of these observations about me... I feel I need to respond to assumptions...but the blog here is about something else. I am less than a cog in the wheel Bob... We all play small parts, but can you stand in judgement of me on some specific grounds? BtW...what again is it that you do? Are you a judge?

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Brian Carlson

12:50 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bob...I have no idea what these phrases mean or what they refer to: "The one that says I plop you down in a suburb and your kids do exceptionally well. I plop you down in an inner city school and not so much."

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Johnny Blade

1:05 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I would say YES .. manhood is on the line .. you are either a free man or a SLAVE

Now i still want an answer .. Why do you advocate violence to collect Income and property tax .. government sanctioned violence is still violence, that is why you and the collectivist hacks drive me nuts .. you advocate violence if it suits your needs as in wealth redistribution .. it is pathetic and sickening

Should be consumption tax only like our founders envisioned .. But you Bankster shils won't have it

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Brian Carlson

1:42 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

JB.... Who are you talking to? I know I haven't advocated violence to do anything let alone to collect tax. Were you talking to Bob? He left.

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c

3:07 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

@Brian
Who cares why people, particularly men, like guns? I could write just as ridiculous of a blog post on why liberal males make such strong attempts to act contrary to what is considered typical male behavior?

If you are intimidated, Brian, keep it to yourself.

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c

3:10 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Brian writes " What I do with my life and energies really aren't to get your approval. ".

How ironic is that? He doesn't want to defend HIS activities and likes, but expects anyone who likes guns to defend theirs.

What a petty weak sickeningly liberals.

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Brian Carlson

6:13 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Little c, i was talking to bob and I haven't asked anyone to defend anything. I asked them what they think about the topic. I did ask bob what he does to work for improvement on this issue or anything as he tried to entirely trashed my life and work. I didn't hear back from him on that.

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Bob McBride

9:28 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

I donate money to causes I deem worthy. I could write songs about them, but I find getting resources to folks who know much better than I do how to attack the issues in question is a lot more valuable.

I see you're still complaining about people attacking you. To the point where you're trying to draw someone, who apparently, took issue with you early on, out of the woodwork. You've got one strange preoccupation with negative reinforcement.

c

3:16 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Let me correct some of Brian's bragging:
"I don't only blog Bob. I teach. I have forced my liberal BS at UW Milwaukee, UW Greenbay, Beloit College (the Harvard of the midwest! LOL), the Milwaukee Institute of Art and Design and in the UW College System as well as at institutions outside of Wisconsin. Forcing your own hateful liberal spite on naive dumb teens is a powerful action.
I bang on drums (with other losers without jobs) in protests. I write letters (since I am not much good at anything worthwhile). I write music, and perform it in front of large groups of 2-3 people at a time, all wired up on drugs so they actually clap. Since I have no practical skills, I have to speak to isssues which seem very important to me and for no monetary gain, because its the only way a leach like me can feel any self woth. My work has been exhibited nationally and has begun to receive attention internationally, but 99.9% of anybody who is productive or doesn't know who I am... I have taken it (up the butt) in Argentina. I am not famous at all (but I just said I was an international star in this same paragraph) and that isn't the issue here."

I'd say my revision is a bit more factual, don't you think?

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Brian Carlson

6:07 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Little c, I would say you just displayed your character, confirmed my thesis and expressed close to the worst of the pro-gun contingent attitudes. You are a would be verbal thug. BTW, I taught and teach art...not politics and certainly not my own politics.

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c

10:56 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

@Brian

You write. So did I, and it took just a little creativity, don't ya think?
And, you call me "little c" - I "c" you are not above name calling as well? lol

$$andSense

4:57 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

c

Between your last post and Greg's memorial tribute to the Tyson chicken, I have never laughed so hard over something on the Patch. Now I want to watch Monty Python's Hol Grail and the white rabbit scene to complete my day. Thanks!

Brian reminds me of the kid in grade school we all remember that was always intentionally obnoxious to others and got smacked around constantly because they just could not learn to shut up. They also cried a lot. It is that "inner child" thing.

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Brian Carlson

6:18 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Little c, the question, first of all is not why so men like guns. Some like to hunt with them. Others like to sport shooting. Some keep them at home for added safety from possible intruders. Some like them for all of these reasons. The question is about the sizable group that seem to associate weapons and the love of weapons, ownership of weapons and use of weapons with "manhood." To be more concise, I wondered about the macho appeal. I don't know if you are a man or a woman little c, but if you're a man who grew up here you will be well aware of machismo in America and it's love of all things potentially deadly. That is what I am asking about...the relationship of machismo to particularly these military style assault weapons, big mags, the oft stated fear of a tyrannical government take over, etc.
When you say "typical male behavior," and suggest liberal males oppose this, you confirm my thesis c... That maleness, in your mind, is linked to liking guns.

Most of the other contributors here, from the side that is deeply concerned that gun restrictions will be tightened, have veered from the issue to attack me personally. You seem to think I am intimidated by something or someone, evidently because of my views.
I don't sign with a single small initial, c.

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c

10:59 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

@Brian

The male mind is wired a certain way, and is why little boys are fascinated with dinosaurs, trucks, and tools. Sure, this is nurtured and fostered by parents as well, but the hard wiring is there.

If you are missing a few chromosome, or have low-T, and are intimidated by anyone with at least some typical male behavior, that is your problem.

I have a college education. I have a high iq. I like art, and am quite creative. I work hard.

And, I like guns. Deal with it.

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Brian Carlson

1:27 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

c, well now at least science has entered the discussion! males are hardwired to be fascinated by dinosaurs, trucks, and tools.

Not short on chromosomes here but I do accept your submission lending example that gun control attitudes may be mixed up with ideas of masculinity. That is exactly what I am "dealing with," in the blog.

College and I Q don't seem to prevent you from wasting discussion potential on questioning someone's masculinity nor from making the following sorts of statements as attempts to characterize me: "I bang on drums (with other losers without jobs) in protests. I write letters (since I am not much good at anything worthwhile). I write music, and perform it in front of large groups of 2-3 people at a time, all wired up on drugs so they actually clap. Since I have no practical skills, I have to speak to isssues
which seem very important to me and for no monetary gain, because its the only way a leach like me can feel any self woth."
I think your statements and approach speak eloquently about your mindset.

The Anti-Alinsky

6:34 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

“Pro-regulation activists can take it too far… a Neanderthal that has no place in contemporary society. This insults Neanderthals as well, btw.”
Yea Brian, great start to a “civil” debate about gun control.

“I should begin by stating very clearly at the outset that I am a man.”
I would sure as Hell hope so, if not you are the ugliest woman blogger on the patch.

“…it features a young black man, with some sort of weapon at his side…The young man is wearing a tan or olive drab shirt ... he may be a soldier ... a good guy ... But if that is the intention WHY DON'T THEY SPELL THIS OUT CLEARLY...”
What is your point Brian, that blacks don’t carry guns? Or that the target market for Bushmaster is young black men?

“…Bushmaster ORC Carbines (tell me they are not using the completely malevolent bad guys from the hobbit movies as names for their weapons)…”
Please tell me you aren’t serious Brian. ORC stand for Optics Ready Carbine. Or is this another bad attempt at Alinsky-type association?

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The Anti-Alinsky

6:34 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

I don’t understand your argument at all. I understand your position well, you want to do is try to portray your self as a manly man without owning a gun. I will agree that you can be a man without owning a gun, but you seem to be going out of your way to come off as macho. If you have to go around telling everyone how cool you are, you aren’t cool. The same goes for being a “manly man”.

I know you’ve had a few insults thrown at you about your masculinity, but grow a pair. I’ve had plenty of insults thrown at me on Patch. I just sit back and realize they are just thrown out by Liberal idiots that have no other argument to fall back on.

What is unmanly is withholding your re-write of the second amendment and other “solutions” simply because a few of us prefer to remain anonymous.

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Brian Carlson

7:10 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Ask a black person how they read that ad AA or if they have any trouble with it. Ask White Power guys what is the message in that ad. When a major gun manufacturer whom I bet sells a lot more guns to middle class white guys uses a young blac pk male as the initial and ONLY human in their advertising that does get my interest. When the copy reads as it does, I am shocked.... seriously. And it takes a lot to shock me. If a politician running for office used an image like that with similar text suggesting guns were the only solution to any problem....he would be reamed and, to go by the visual, the only thing we see is a young black male, gun at his side, ostensibly reading a manual on how to operate the weapon. You aren't daft AA. Don't tell me this was Bushmasters way of trying to increase sales to African Americans. When were you born? Yesterday?

Brian Carlson

6:53 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

My blog is not about me AA. I try to give some context...for a thesis. I would like to know how I am attempting to appear macho. That interests me. Because I ask people why THEY hide in anonymity when i am challenged with taunts about what a coward I AM, ask them where they are coming from with their charges... Does not strike me as macho. So please explain. Tell me about how I told people how cool I am. Bob, you remember Bob.... Challenged me with doing nothing effective, blogging from Port W (nowhere evidently) and wishing things would change. I told him a bit about what I actively pursue. That was not trying to be cool, it was letting the man know how specifically, I actively try to help improve things. He has no knowledge of me.

I actually DID respond on the Second if you reread the blog despite the fact that you patriots seem very reluctant to let anyone know who you are. I sure am not going to look you up, stalk you, etc. Whonis it you folks fear. Your employers? Wives? Who?

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Brian Carlson

6:58 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

AA.... "I know you’ve had a few insults thrown at you about your masculinity, but grow a pair. "

Perfect example.

Hey, AA, in case you are concerned....my self image isn't damaged by these schoolyard insults. I am not withering away here. You guys simply get online, presumably on behalf of the pro gun club or whatever you call it, and display your character. You make my case and made it again. I feel bad for all the people who literally just want to hunt, simply like trap shooting or whatever, or only are interested in home defense, etc....because people with your tactics, create a perception of aggressive, in your face, let's square up bullshit.

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The Anti-Alinsky

4:22 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

First of all Brian, don't try to yank my chain. You got overly sensitive over some sarcastic comments you received and now feel you have to prove your a man.

Concerning my grow a pair comment, the first time I heard that was over 25 years ago from my first boss, a ex-marine drill instructor. Instead of taking it the way you did, it made me realize criticism is simply another point of view and can be used for a better understanding of a situation.

By the way, I am not pro-gun club, I am pro-second amendment. And I don't buy for a second your claim that you don't want to eliminate gun ownership. You will incrementalize gun control until it is gone.

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Lyle Ruble

5:15 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

@Anti-Alinsky....I don't think that Brian is being overly sensitive. Your sarcasm is misplaced and Brian has come out in support of gun ownership with regulation and restrictions. There's a big difference in violating the 2nd amendment and placing reasonable restrictions and regulations on gun ownership.

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The Anti-Alinsky

5:53 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Lyle, perhaps Brian isn't, but that is not what I am getting from his comments:

"I should begin by stating very clearly at the outset that I am a man."

"when a man speaks up or takes action for non-violence, for peace, against wars, for better gun-regulation or even, in the current discussions, for trying to LESSEN gun violence, a significant part of the opposition will question his MALENESS ... or maybe more concisely, challenge his MANHOOD."

"I can assure you that if you don't want to burn Asian peasant ...people will determine you are a coward ...and most certainly that you are not a man. "

Don’t let those emotions show or that glass be full of anything but non-light beer, because your buddies can “revoke” your Man Card at any point. Revokable offenses include being a “crybaby,” a “coward,” a “cupcake” (we have no idea what that means either), having a “short leash” (presumably thanks to a wife or girlfriend), or being just generally “unmanly” (this one has a woman icon)." And this is the angle on the conversation I would like to begin..."

"What in gods name does manhood have to do with whether or not we pursue strickter or clearer gun regulation in this country?"

Unfortunately, with the written word it is hard to read in the authors intended inflection or emotion. However, based on the comments above, and others, it does seem like Brian needs to verbally prove his manhood.

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The Anti-Alinsky

5:55 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

As far as Brian's intent for "reasonable restrictions and regulations" on gun ownership. We await with baited breath for him to declare his plan.

The pro-gun rights advocates have stated our position, now what is his counter offer?

patchreader 123

8:09 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

BC:
I read the beginning of your post, stopped at the link to the catalog, viewed the catalog, and then returned to and finished your post. I was thus unaware of your opinions of the catalog when I read it.

That being said, I did not find the photo of the black male to be racially provocative in the least. My impression of the photo was that of a black soldier, with his white comrade seated behind him, perhaps sitting in some type of military classroom. Nothing in the photo resulted in me to wanting to purchase a weapon for any fear of black males.

Perhaps other parts of the catalog appear to promote a certain machismo. Assuming they do, what of it? You asked the following question: “What in gods [sic] name does manhood have to do with whether or not we pursue strickter [sic] or clearer gun regulation in this country?” My answer would be “nothing.”

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patchreader 123

8:10 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

The catalog, and even the man-card campaign, is designed to sell product to perhaps a certain male demographic, nothing more, nothing less. No different than certain pickup trucks and certain beers are marketed with machismo to a certain male demographic. Assuming, arguendo, that the Bushmaster catalog is marketed with a machismo directive, such a directive has nothing to do with gun control, or more importantly, the tragic killing in CT.

From what I’ve seen of the CT and CO killers, they appear to be anything but having machismo. And if you think that either was seeking to achieve any machismo status through the killing of unarmed civilians - especially children, with a “machismo-esque” weapon, don’t confuse them with the intended demographic of the Bushmaster catalog. The intended demographic of the catalog would readily label the killers’ respective actions of killing unarmed civilians, especially children, as nothing more than cowardly.

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Brian Carlson

10:34 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Thanks for your opinion. I am glad you feel that manhood is not at issue in the gun control debate. Many respondents, to go by their strategies and language in discussing the issue, charge the pro regulation people with cowardice, taunt them with traditionally feminine qualities or suggest they are gay.

$$andSense

10:55 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Brian the Black Knight. Just doesn't know when to quit. Very funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

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patchreader 123

12:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

BC:

You mention that "gun legislation is equivalent to many with "taking their freedoms away..."

There is a certain truth to this statement. Think about what has transpired over the last year or so:

1) President Obama signed a bill into law in Feb. 0f 2012 allowing domestic surveillance drones to be used within the U.S. against Americans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002319846

2) President Obama again signed the annual NDAA into law in Jan of 2013, again giving the military the power to arrest and hold Americans without the writ of habeas corpus, and possibly removing the requirements of probable cause, Miranda rights and the right to a fair trial.

http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-ndaa-detention-president-288/

3) President Obama reauthorized various provisions of the Patriot Act.

Many view the foregoing laws to be in violation of the Constitution.

Perhaps arguments against gun control, in support of any defense against governmental tyranny, are taking it a bit too far. However, in principle, further gun control could indeed represent a further violation of the Constitution and thus a further erosion of civil liberties for LAW ABIDING citizens of the United States. In view of the continuing overall erosion of civil liberties in this country, many citizens are indeed becoming more protective of the Constitutional right most obvious to them, namely, the 2nd Amendment.

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Brian Carlson

9:58 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Patchreader123, I am aware of the bills/laws mentioned and am opposed to them. I agree, there is huge cause for concern and the rationale, that this is to fast track dealing with terrorists or that we need drones watching the populace to keep us all safe are certainly dodgy, questionable at best. I posted info about these bills on my blog about drone warfare... and the entire shift to drone warfare, robotic warfare and police use of same should be a great cause of concern and topic of debate among Americans. The progress on this technology is amazing and the potential for autonomous robot police, robots making kill decisions not by remote operator but according to programming, presents a chilling scenario for the future.

I dont think the good old boys will beat the US Military and CIA in a throw down, drones, robots or not. Even a Barret wont take out a Predator Drone at 50K feet of altitude. I have said this.... and get responses about how well the Vietnamese did against us or how much havoc the Afghanis have done with their IEDs. All of that has been discussed. 2 million plus Vietnamese died to our 60,ooo and living in a state of war and anarchy is not, I think, the best we can hope for. The govt would soon control the ammunition factories so once your cache was gone...you would use your slick guns as a club. So... other, political, ways must be employed to avert this potential I think.

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patchreader 123

3:52 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

Brian:

I understand what you are saying, but you entirely fail to address my point. My point is that many gun owners believe that taking away certain freedoms granted under the 2nd amendment is simply another erosion of another civil liberty supposedly preserved by our Constitution. Your first paragraph restates my concern for domestic drones and the NDAA-imposed limitation on civil liberties while your entire second paragraph does nothing more than restate my sentence acknowledging that "[p]erhaps arguments against gun control, in support of any defense against governmental tyranny, are taking it a bit too far."

My point is simply this: many people, namely, law abiding citizens, including you, are worried about the continued erosion of civil liberties in this country. In view of this continued erosion, these same law abiding citizens are worried about any further erosion of civil liberties that may occur through the implementation of certain gun control laws.

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Brian Carlson

5:12 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

YES 123, I know they are concerned. If what they fear is a tyrannical government, however, I do suggest that they will not be able to defend themselves long in that eventuality. Perhaps people like the idea of going down shooting as distinct from being lined up and shot... The result is pretty much the same. I do get the sentiment...it is age old and history is written in blood. I prefer to act preventatively, and I don't say I have any large power on my own. Collectively however people do change unjust laws. Fifty Years ago George Wallace was ranting about segregation forever! There had always been segregation, there was segregation and he hoped in his ugly speeches, that there would always be segregation. Reasonable people change old unjust laws.

Greg

12:34 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

I would like to mention that I have met Brian and that I like Brian. He is a nice guy that walks the walk. I envy his passion and conviction even tho his reasoning and my reasoning don't always jibe. I think that sometimes this is what it takes to make the world go around.
An attack on certain guns is an easy solution that will provide questionable results. A scientific or engineering approach would take all the possible data surrounding the problem, and process it to form a conclusion. But this approach may point to areas that would limit freedom of speech or freedom of the press, that would not go over so good.
I am in favor of looking for solutions, but they need to be soundly formulated, rather than being slapped together with emotion. There are those that have always hated guns and these recent shootings are giving them wet dreams. There is hope for a solution, but pushing the issue in the wrong direction may do more harm than good. Remember that the new gun laws are being brought to you by the guys that implemented fast and furious. They don't know what will solve the problems, they just know what they want to do.
Always have the courage to ask "why"?

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Brian Carlson

10:09 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Greg,
I appreciate the testimonial. I could also be writing blogs on ethics, on the question of education, on the effect of the economic situation relative to violence, etc...and I am very interested, as well, in moral questions relative to violence. I have never imagined that modifying a law would remove gun violence let alone violence in general. I know you aren't saying I have... but I have to keep making this point clear as many express a sort of all or nothing mentality. Universal background checks has potential, including for private sales. Gun buy backs ala Australia coupled with modified laws has proven to work...to a degree...not to remove the problem. I think 30 round magazines are ridiculous. For thirty bucks anyone can add one to their already formidable weapon. This is why conversation, not insults and character attacks, not blustering, verbal bullying, etc.... is VITAL. Once we all simmer down and put the best ideas on the table, we will make progress. Its happening right now.

I like to ask WHY. I like asking questions period and, as a teacher, its a central tool in helping students learn to think for themselves. Relative to these issues, I also like to see who profits by various proposed improvements or lack of same. Follow the money, really opens up many of the dynamics of politics. Also, political profit...power, etc..

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c

11:04 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

@Greg

I advocate logic and reason in regards to any kind of decision making, especially gun control, where liberals LOVE to use emotion and irrationality in pushing their agenda.

How can you expect an "artistic drum banger" to use logic and reason, and ignore emotion?

It's why conservatives and conservative, and liberals are liberal. Why some people are productive, while others are whining leaches.

Brian Carlson

5:05 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

AA... I am fifty eight. I don't know you from Adam. The idea that you could hurt my feelings is odd. I point out the language of much of the gun control debate in a blog and many respondents, including yourself, were happy to provide real time examples with attempts to deride me. I don't know any of you folks. People who have the potential to hurt me are people I know and respect. I don't care who told you to grow a pair or that he was a former marine drill sargent. The only possible connection I can see for that is that the drill sergeants are pretty famous for attacking the masculinity of the male soldiers....for sexist comments and for homophobic comments. Say what you like but please don't imagine you hurt me.

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The Anti-Alinsky

6:02 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Then stop commenting like I, and others have. My intent is not to question your "masculinity". But I wonder if it is a tactic to try and redirect the tone of the discussion.

As I have said before, I don't believe that owning a gun makes you any more of a man, or any less if you don't.

By the way, that ex-marine drill instructor was one of the best bosses I ever had. He was a great guy, but didn't hesitate to tell you like it was.

$$andSense

6:36 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Anti

Your Semper Fi boss was a good boss because he did not put up with this kind of dumbed down and soft feel good rhetoric that the Carlson’s of this world are trying to spread. They take charge of their lives and the best interests of those around them, not make excuses and more laws.

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$$andSense

3:56 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

OK Brian. I retract the "personal" comment I posted earlier. I am sorry. However, the title of this post is not personal by insinuating manhood relative to firearms ownership? Mister, you purposely wrote the first chord in this particular melody. Happy now?

Back on point. The truth of our current federal administration with the facts I presented, is a convenient reality people want to ignore. Expecting this same corrupt group to "fix", what ever that means to you (and constantly dance around), the ongoing issue of crazies/drug addled/over the edge people accessing firearms (I don't care what brand, how many "bullets" or whatever you are fixated on) will just be another fiasco, which will lead to more useless and unenforceable laws being passed. All it will do is harm the rights of responsible citizens. Citizens with rights under the Constitution which you want to attack but will not openly state. Admit it, you and your kind will not stop until the US adopts a UK type of firearms ban revision to the 2nd amendment or outright repeal . Just shout it out at your next encounter group meeting, cry and sob over it, and you will feel like a new person afterwards.

What number is this rant in your anti-gun series anyway? You have been at it over a year now.

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Brian Carlson

8:57 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Does anyone know what happened to Neil? When I was invited to blog for Patch, a Neil quickly appeared and blasted me whether I wrote funny stuff about life in Port, serious stuff about non-violence, or crazy stuff about how we could help put Port on the map. He was my first would be character assassin... And like Clouseaus sidekick Kato in the old Pink Panther movies, I could expect him to leap out of a closet whenever I was least expecting him. Perhaps he just put on another disguise.

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Neil John Smith

3:16 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

I'm still here. Just pretty much bored with the Patch and the people that post on here. No offense to everyone, but you are all really stupid and spend way too much time and energy on these posts.

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Brian Carlson

3:32 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

NAR, when I get up in the morning the first thing I ask myself in front of the mirror is, "WWND?" How can anyone take offense at being called really stupid? I am certain you are up to much more productive things since you gave up trolling blogs.

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Neil John Smith

10:37 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Actually. My mood has improved. It's really depressing reading everyone's thoughts on these blogs and realizing: "These are the people in my community, I live amognst idiots."

I think everyone should wake up in the morning and take a hard, critical look at themselves in the mirror. And then pound one out in the shower to relax a little bit before they head out into the world.

Brian Carlson

9:36 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Bob, unlike yourself, several people on the blog reply beat, change their masks. I think Neil is still with us, albeit in a new guise. His language and approach are nearly duplicated in that of another respondent. I may be wrong.
I am glad you donate money to causes you believe in.
Are you a professional psychologist? Arm chair shrinking really snuffs meaningful conversation.

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Bob McBride

10:35 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013

You're not that complicated, Brian. However feel free to seek professional help if you deem it necessary.

As for your theories regarding your Neil, if you're spending anytime at all wondering who's who, you're letting him or them get to you. It's quite possible you have the same effect on more than one person. Why not just leave it at that, rather than looking like you're begging for it?

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Neil John Smith

3:18 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

I am still here. I haven't switched names. I read some comments and just shake my head and go on with my life.

$$andSense

1:53 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Brian

Bob has it down. I am not or ever have been Neil. Just $$ the whole time.

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Born Free

7:43 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

HELP! HELP! Call a cop. Call the press. I'm surrounded by evil stressed out guns, high cap mags and ammo!

Nasty guns broke into my house and have taken me and the dog hostage!!! They've even beaten and raped the cat. They've drank all the beer and devoured everything in the medicine cabinet. I tried reasoning with them but they're getting crazier and shooting out the windows. They said they want money, Obama phone's, Obamacare, sushi and Birkenstocks.

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Jack

12:52 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

a 9MM in hand is better than 911 on the phone. You really have to wonder why democrats want so many Americans unarmed.

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Brian Carlson

2:18 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Jack, pretty slow on the draw there pahdnuh. This blog has been quiet for weeks. All the same, although I am not a democrat, I am not pushing for you to be unarmed...I just don't think you need assault rifles to shoot the burglar. I don't think you need drum mags to qualify as protecting yourself and property. The proposals the President put forward NEVER say anything about being unarmed. Spouting that is just spreading disinformation....trading in lies.

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Craig

2:28 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Brian: I will try to wake things up again.

• A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl , Miss. ,
was halted by the school's vice principal
after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm
• A 1998 middle school shooting ended
when a man living next door heard gunfire
and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Middle_School_dance_shooting

• A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school
was quickly stopped by an armed teacher
and a school guard.
http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Terrorist_attacks_against_Israelis_in_2002/

• A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy , Va. ,
came to an abrupt conclusion when students
carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting

• A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden , Utah , ended
when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting

• A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston , Texas ,
was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.

• A 2012 church shooting in Aurora , Colo. ,
was stopped by a member of the congregation
carrying a gun.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/suspect-in-colo-church-sh_n_1450313.html
• At the recent mall shooting in Portland , Ore. ,
the gunman took his own life minutes
after being confronted by a shopper
carrying a concealed weapon.

AWD

2:28 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Do you think the reason the Progressives are so frantic to get gun control passed is because they know once the ObamaCare mandates go into full swing in 2014 the amount of civil unrest that will be born from that racist piece of legistlation will be absolutely historic?

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Brian Carlson

3:27 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Craig... You can give innumerable examples of one person with a gun killing another person with a gun. You can give examples of armies with guns killing other armies with guns. We are making "guns" that actually do the decision making themselves...autonomous robotic killing machines. Obviously it's possible for someone with a gun to kill someone else with a gun. It's possible to miss and hit other people as well...our best and brightest do it on a regular basis. The point is...do we project a future with more or less killing in it? Which do we want to build. All gun manufacturers are happy to build the former...they make billions this way. They don't care, so far, who gets the guns or who they are used on. Bushmaster might have been sickened that their guns slaughtered children but rather...they push for making more...as if that will protect the next batch of children. Where is your vision for the next hundred years? Can you build anything better... Work towards a better, less conflicted world?

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Jack

3:40 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

What Brian is trying to say, don't cloud this discussion with facts, let's stick to platitudes and emotions.

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Craig

4:06 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Brian I like you. I know you do not want to take away people's guns. I posted that information as food for thought.
Our future as a human species is a mess.
Drones will be flying over American heads in the near future.
I am not a statistician, but I hypothesize that killing increases in direct proportion to population increases.
Most mass murders are committed by unhealthy minds. We do not have a way to protect these people from themselves, nor do we protect others from them. Privacy rights come into play here as well.

How we deal with these issues in the future is far more complex. Gun manufacturing likely will not change much, though regulations will. Education of the value of human life could be helpful, the fear of burning in hell for eternity doesn't seem to be the answer. I think drones will be utilized much more for domestic law enforcement in the future. I am not sure whether I think that is a good or bad thing. Tasers have been effective in stopping perpetrators, perhaps they will continue to improve and be more effective in capturing active shooters alive. Then society can make an example of them, and criminologists can study their motivation. Maybe the ultimate taser in the hands of a Robocop will be a solution.

As far as a better and less conflicted world. The only answer I can offer here is for the US to keep it's nose out of it. There has been conflict from the beginning of time, and I do not see anything changing that.

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Craig

4:12 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Jack: I think Brian is honestly trying to find answers.
IF there is an answer to the issue, I would hope that someone can find it. Obviously we can not depend on politicians to do this.
He has stated numerous times that he doesn't want to see our weapons taken away.
For the record; I do not think limiting magazine size or type of weapon will fix anything. I strongly support the 2nd, in fact I believe we have too many limitations already.

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Brian Carlson

5:19 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Craig... Yeah...we are both interested in seeing less violence. I agree. Paranoia on either side wont get us there. Extremism won't work and extreme rhetoric only fans the flames of fundamentalists, left or right, and maintains impasse. People are afraid. People are sickened by violence. At the same time we have been raised in a super power on a paradigm of violence... Not just an eye for an eye here... A country for a building...doesn't even need to be the right country! To my mind, one can't support the violence of empire on the macrocosm, and expect a peaceful local world on the microcosm. If might makes right internationally, then it's hard to raise a credible objection to the mentality that governs street killings, domestic violence, etc. There are big gangs, and little gangs. There are empires and there are madmen. As I have said a hundred times...there is no one answer... Gun legislation will help somewhat but it's a crisis of ethics on a vast scale... an ancient and ugly paradigm that brought 200 million deaths from conflicts last century. We have to study more than war and study hard.

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Craig

9:59 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Brian you summed it up perfectly.

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Craig

10:33 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

"Paranoia on either side wont get us there. Extremism won't work and extreme rhetoric only fans the flames of fundamentalists, left or right, and maintains impasse.."
That quote describes me, as I have taken a very hard line position.
With the inferno now just a blaze, I can see we are not that far apart.

Jack

3:40 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

It should come as no surprise that the Communist Party USA is on board with President Obama’s plan to attack Americans’ right to keep and bear arms as a means to “end gun violence.”

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Brian Carlson

5:07 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

The Commies still out to take over the world Jack? That fear was worn out decades ago.

Jack

4:19 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

As I have posted many times, military style rifles are just a smokescreen. Their ultimate goal is the total abolition of the RIGHT to own firearms of any type.

It has always been about handguns. Assault rifles are just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Medgar Evers, shot with a 5 shot 1917 bolt action Enfield rifle.

Martin Luther King, shot with a 4 shot Remington 760 pump action Gamemaster rifle.

Bobby Kennedy with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl revolver.

Howard Johnsons shooter killed nine, wounded thirteen with a 4 shot RUGER .44 mag Deerslayer rifle.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady with an RG-14 .22 revolver.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 7 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban all of them.

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Lyle Ruble

5:21 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

@Jack....I don't exactly understand the point you're trying to make. I have stated before that AR style firearms are not good home security weapons and are extremely limited as hunting weapons. The .223 round for the M-16, etc were designed to do one thing and one thing only, kill enemy combatants. A hand gun or shotgun makes a much better home defense weapon. With the right loads you don't have to worry about penetration of walls, etc.You can't say the same for a .223 round. It is time for you to grow up and get over your obsession.

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SH00TY

6:31 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

"I have stated before that AR style firearms are not good home security weapons and are extremely limited as hunting weapons." wow aren't you an arrogant one. Depending on type of rounds used and location of home a .223 can be a suitable defensive round. Why do you think an AR is limited on hunting applications? you can get an AR chambered in .308 which is more than enough to take down the same game as a traditional hunting rifle.

Brian Carlson

5:07 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Jack, jack, jack. Calm down. No one wants your duck guns, your bottle plinkers, your varmint killers. Where do you read this agenda beyond the right wing rags propaganda? This view that people are out to get you has a name when it becomes a frame of mind.

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Mike Itzenhuiser

5:28 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

There will never be a ban on guns. Do you people honestly believe our govenment has the time to go door to door and confiscate your firearms? Would any of you turn them in if they asked? The debate on this blog is ridiculously stupid.

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Brian Carlson

5:36 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Mike, the total banaphobes are having a debate with themselves. They hear voices I don't see on the blog. It is odd.

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Lyle Ruble

8:05 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

@Mike Itzenhuiser....Over 300 million firearms privately held, I don't think there is any chance that those that want to have guns will not have them.

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$$andSense

10:43 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I agree with you Mike but crazier things have been done before in history like Hitler rounding up Jews and political dissidents Pol Pot style. That wasn’t about firearms but they banned or confiscated them first before the killing began. Placing restrictions on freedoms and getting away with it just emboldens a gov't to continue the trend. I find it hard that the Carlson's and Ruble's are not abhorred and prolifically writing articles about the "Patriot Act" and the huge infractions on their Constitutional rights it represents. Maybe these people want to live in a highly restricted and “safe” society. I got news for them. History repeats itself and in a society like our ours that is economically melting down, they will be wishing they had more than a butter knife to protect themselves and their home when the police are no where to be found because they lost their jobs too. Beware the Irish curse of what you wish for boys.

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Lyle Ruble

2:49 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@$$andSense....Better read your history before you make claims. Hitler did not restrict private gun ownership. Jews were divested of their citizenship first and lost all of their protections under German and Austrian law. Private gun ownership never presented a significant threat to Hitler and the Nazis. The Nazis didn't come to confiscate weapons, but came and confiscated people.

It's curious that you bring up the "Patriot Act". This is the most dangerous piece of legislation that this nation has faced and should be repealed. As far as I'm concerned the "Patriot Act" has been the greatest attack on our personal freedoms.

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Brian Carlson

3:55 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Lyle, as you are aware that crap about Hitler taking everyone's weapons away is a standard myth and talking point of the pro gun right. Confiscating people was the M.O. as it was in Argentina thirty five years ago.

Brian Carlson

11:07 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

When your worse nightmare occurs and the US turns on it's own in a police state of some sort, what is your projected lifespan? My guess is that whatever you own is well documented and as your firefights gain renown, you will most certainly be met with superior firepower. What about your supply line? Or maybe you will just club the tyrants with your empty weapon. When people of this mentality promote themselves as being rational and suggest that folks like Mr. Ruble and I live in fntasy and hope for utopias, I question your vison(s).

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$$andSense

1:27 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Ah, yes, Carlson. Like a trout to a fly and a carp to a worm. I get you every time.

“Live in fantasy and hope for utopias"? Do you read newspapers, the internet, etc. Ever notice what has happened in Syria, Libya, Egypt and on and on? Repressive gov'ts do not like a pissed off armed citizenry when they fight back and succeed. Roll over and play good dog and no harm will come, right? So you like the Patriot Act that gives the gov't the right to incarcerate you based on an anonymous phone call I make that says you are a terrorist bomb maker? Why not just declare yourself a ward of the state and it will be better.

"Comrade Carlson, you only exist because the State has deemed you may be of some value, for now. Your tax dollars are welcome and recognized as tribute to the State . However, should you be accused by a fellow comrade of any seditious act, comment or other activity, you shall be sent to a gulag of the States choice”.

So Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago is work of fiction to you too? If you have not already read Orwell’s classic “1984", read it or read it again.

In the meantime, celebrate diversity, whatever the hell you believe that means.

Dolt.

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Randy1949

1:31 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

"So you like the Patriot Act that gives the gov't the right to incarcerate you based on an anonymous phone call I make that says you are a terrorist bomb maker?"

No, I don't like the Patriot Act very much, but I don't think that trying to hold them off with a semi-automatic rifle is going to help my case much of one of my fellow citizens turns me in.

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Brian Carlson

3:28 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Dollar I really think you shouldn't compare yourself to either a fly or a worm. You are probably reasonably intelligent and I am sure you have many positive qualities.

$$andSense

1:43 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

So Randy, if I interpret your comment that 1) it is okay for the gov't to kick down my door based on someone' s anonymous accusation and 2) I should not have the right to defend myself with whatever means I legally avail myself to if I am innocent and have no idea who is kicking down the door?

If that is the intent of your message, then it is a very dangerous one that places way too much police power in the hands of the state.

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Randy1949

4:42 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

It is not all right for the government to knock down your door based on an anonymous accusation. I'm amazed that everyone was so calm when that travesty passed.

As for the legal right to shoot, that's debatable. But it does you no good if you're dead. Ask Kathrynn Johnston. But wait -- you can't. She's dead.

Brian Carlson

2:14 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Gulag Archipelago was a favorite book of mine. It is because I do read and am not subservient to the stock responses to what I read that I prefer to work towards a world that is not a perpetuation of what we have and have had. It is because I believe you or I can be better tomorrow than we are today that life has any hope at all. If I saw the world as you seem to, I would not want to live, frankly. If the best I could project for my future or that of my children was a fortress home and the basic ethics of any Neanderthal...ie.." I am about me and mine..." i would be certain there was no point to add to the madness. I was protesting what was happening in Syria when Homs was a name barely in the news.... The rebels have not solved anything and have begun to commit atrocities similar in kind although not in scale to the criminal Assad. Theres the rub.... Matching killing with killing, matching atrocity with atrocity, you become exactly like those you oppose. History is littered with liberators who became the next tyrant, with rebels of conscience who began the next empire, and all the more so with the millions of victims generated by their private quests for power.

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$$andSense

4:25 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

"The rebels have not solved anything and have begun to commit atrocities similar in kind although not in scale to the criminal Assad. Theres the rub.... Matching killing with killing, matching atrocity with atrocity, you become exactly like those you oppose. History is littered with liberators who became the next tyrant, with rebels of conscience who began the next empire, and all the more so with the millions of victims generated by their private quests for power."

Hey Brian, are you referring to the Amercian Revolution and resulting US Constitution that has given you the freedom to post your BS? Hmmmmm.....

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Brian Carlson

4:33 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

With reference to the American Revolution, the rebels resisted Empire, the absolute authority of the British Throne. Their effort has been superseded by the most powerful far reaching empire ever assembled, the one in which you and I reside. And relative to freedoms to say whatever we want, tell this to those who are political prisoners, tell it to Martin Luther King, tell it to those who fall here or are imprisoned or are squeezed out of jobs, let go from academic positions, run out of government. We have relative freedom but do you imagine these blogs aren't scrutinized by some poor sob who has to strain dissent all day?

Brian Carlson

2:21 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

My question remains unanswered because you have no answer. When your cartridges run out, you have a stone age weapon in hand. A poorly crafted club. Even with cartridges, the predator drone glinting in the sky above your neighborhood is out of range. Step outside and you're dead. Get in your car...you're dead. When they decide, whenever they decide...you are dead. This is your dream not mine.

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Brian Carlson

4:01 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

The 1938 German Weapons Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Weap

The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

Gun restriction laws only applied to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."

The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and Nazi party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.

The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.

The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.

Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing of firearms and ammunition and on November 11, 1938, Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons were passed,which effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.

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Brian Carlson

4:02 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

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Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

$$andSense

4:08 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

First Lyle.
Hitler stripping people of their citizenship is the same as taking away your Constitutional rights so I do not get your point. You are splitting hairs here. If the Jews of Germany, Austria, Poland and other Nazi occupied countries held on to their firearms irregardless and put up a fight, they likely would have died anyway but at least done so in a more dignified way rather than being treated like livestock and systematically gassed, hung, shot or brutalized to death. It would have given the Nazi’s pause at least to the veracity of their effort, even if for a short time. I am not a Jew myself, have no issue with Jews, but know full well that if any invader, foreign or domestic, took on the Israeli populace or military, they would be facing one of the meanest and relentless forces despite the fact that they are small in number. Hence, I hold them in high regard. So, at least the Israeli's learned a lesson about staying armed and vigilant.

Now Carlson.
You on the other hand assume that technology such as drones will defeat an armed citizenry. Since soldiers like police are sworn to uphold the Constitution as it currently stands despite the gutting that legislation like the “Patriot Act” has already hacked out, do you think every one of them are willing to commit treason by violation of their oath and attack the citizenry because of their “orders”? If so, then you are suggesting that we are already in a dictatorship mode.

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Lyle Ruble

5:43 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@$$andSense....Taking away someone's citizenship is a significant step and it isn't splitting hairs. It is a complete disenfranchisement of not only acknowledging your citizenship but it places one into a special category of being less than human. He used the law to discriminate and steal everything of value. Jews in Germany and Austria generally didn't possess firearms and if they did it was for shooting sports. Jews in Poland, the Balkan States, Western Russia weren't allowed to be armed even before the Nazi invasions. Now you are holding a group of disenfranchised people responsible for not putting up a fight when they had absolutely no means to do so. In the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, the weapons used were those captured from the Germans. I will say it naive to assume that any group could have resisted the organized slaughter of millions and you need to read history to become better informed.

As a Jew, I can say that Israel has been forced into some positions not of their own choosing, but other positions are of their own choosing. In 1967 they should have left the Gaza Strip alone and the insistence on settling the West Bank and East Jerusalem has been a major mistake. What many people don't understand is that Israelis are experiencing internal conflicts between secular citizens and the extreme nationalists. It was extreme nationalists that assassinated Yitzhak Rabin. I don't share your romantic notions about Israel and understand the complexity of the situation.

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Brian Carlson

5:56 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Lyle, you do realize that you are suggesting the Jews are not a monolithic block in complete support of all agendas of any Israeli administration? This is a large concept for many non-Jews to grasp friend. It may require thought. To many fundamental Christians, "Jews," are one people, one mind, one chosen block.... There is no distinction between people and government, between factions of political thought in Israel, nor between those who lived thousands of years ago and contemporary Jews. You folks are all in the same file in their brains.

Brian Carlson

4:24 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

You are fortunate not to have been born in Palestine if you hold the Israeli govt in high regard. Again... Tell me about your supply lines on ammunition or are you going to use pungee sticks? Please don't tell me the Vietnamese peasants defeated the US on their own... As Lyle admonishes... Read history. Please. Who is it you need to ward off if the military is going to cave and join your side in a tyrannical upheaval? Some will defect but look at Syria, look at Argentina during the seventies and eighties... The large balance remain by choice, through ignorance or by pure coercion.

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Lyle Ruble

6:03 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@Brian Carlson....I couldn't agree more that accident of birth plays a large part in our lives. The North Vietnamese and Viet Cong didn't militarily defeat the US, we won pretty much every major battle we were engaged in. However, we were forced to fight the war on their own grounds and of their choosing. They followed the teachings of Sun Tzu and the Art of War. We lost the will to fight a war that was a war of convenience and was meaningless. We should have learned that fighting wars carries consequences and the latest engagements are no different.

When Bush labeled our actions as a "War on Terrorism", I had a pretty good idea what was to follow, including the "Patriot Act", which is as anti-American as you can get. I find that people take war and threats of war way to casually. If we had a draft like we did in Vietnam, these wars would be much shorter and less likely.

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Brian Carlson

7:25 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Well said Lyle. The Viet Cong also were supplied. These folks have no suppliers when whatever they dread comes down. An Ak47 probably makes a poor club....in all senses of the word.

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Lyle Ruble

11:11 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

@Brian Carlson....What I find disturbing is that people, primarily men, are so obsessed with their guns, that any reasonable restrictions or regulations will result force them into engaging in criminal activities. A fine example is their claims that if they can't buy ammunition, then they are willing to participate in the black market to secure a supply. What does that say about their values system and their perception of reality.

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Brian Carlson

3:37 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Lyle, their chthonic fantasies about dealing with the illicit weapons trade remind me of a Chris Rock joke. He said that to curb violence you don't need to get rid of guns...just charge two thousand dollars per bullet (cartridge)! I don't think they will care for the price.

Brian Carlson

5:09 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

But, as it often happens in the blogosphere, we have digressed from the topic a bit. No one that I noticed gave serious credence to the possibility that concepts manhood may be somewhat overlapping the stances on gun-control... For example the sense that someone is going to take your weapons away evoking a fear of castration. Warfare and sexuality have long been cross references.. Sex is spoken of as "conquest," is a simple example. Consider this:
"Gever" is the Hebrew for man, pronounced with the main accent on the first syllable, giving it an aggressive swing. The word also means a cock, or rooster.

But if heroism is purely masculine in Hebrew, weapons and fighting are even more explicitly so. While the sexual connotations of "gever" derive from the cock of the roost, those of weaponry derive directly from the penis.

The Hebrew for penis is "zayin," which is also the word for a weapon. The phrase for Israel's armed forces can thus translate as "an army equipped with penises,'' and the verb meaning "to take up arms" also means "to have sexual intercourse. '

This is an isolated example... I have no idea how many languages parallel this feature... but it is safe to say that in the language of warfare sexual metaphors are profuse. We "put it to" the enemy, "f them up," "stick it to them," etc. The language of domination in sex and war is similar if not the same.

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Lyle Ruble

6:25 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@Brian Carlson....You have to be careful how you put meaning to Hebrew words since they contain no vowels. Any Hebrew word can be interpreted many different ways. In any case, what you are illustrating is very true with sexuality closely associated with warfare, each requiring conquest. I have always associated firearms with phallic substitutes as well as Harley Davidson Motorcycles. Both are representations of the male phallus.

Freud had much to say about compensation and how manhood is manifested. In our culture, firearms are very much a part of that compensation. I find it interesting that you ask about using a club when all other means are exhausted. It seems to go beyond others comprehension what you are really speaking.

Brian Carlson

7:29 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Please correct me when I make mistakes. I just ran across that info about language when reading on the language of warfare. Patton is quite explicit when he gets into discourse on what they are there for, what they are going to do, and why they are doing it. All real men love to fight...according to the general.

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Brian Carlson

3:31 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013

I think N is about to weigh in with a recommendation on his morning regimen.

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