Don't Like Obamacare? Do Something About It

Addressing the Racine Tea Party at a forum on health care, Rep. Paul Ryan, State Rep. Robin Vos and State Sen. Leah Vukmir told the crowd in Racine County on Sunday it's time for them to take action if they want to see the Affordable Care Act repea

Expressing their disdain for the Affordable Health Care Act, Rep. Paul Ryan and other state Republicans Sunday evangelized their anti-Obamacare message and asked the Racine Tea Party faithful to go out and spread the message that it isn’t working.

One by one, notable Republicans got up in front of the roughly 300 people gathered at the Racine Tea Party Healthcare Forum at South Hills Country Club in Caledonia. In turn, they each dissected the health-care law and said how the American people made a decision in November they may come to regret.

Headlining speaker Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Janesville, called the law “fundamentally flawed” in its conception and implementation, and said it is doomed to fail.

“Obamacare is too overarching and it runs contrary to the practices of this country so it can’t last,” Ryan said.

Ryan told residents to start at home, educating themselves and their friends and then supporting conservative lawmakers in Wisconsin.

"We have great leaders to show us the way forward," he said. "You can fix this at the state level and show the federal government how to do it."

Read more about what Ryan had to say about Obamacare and income taxes.

State Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, said liberals and conservatives want the same thing; a government that functions well and takes care of the less fortunate. Wisconsinites, he said, do both really well, even if there's disagreement on how to reach both those goals.

“Under Gov. (Jim) Doyle, we had a massive expansion of Medicaid that included low premiums or no premiums and no co-pays and it worked great until the federal government stepped in,” he said.

But, Vos continued, Gov. Scott Walker wisely rejected setting up a state-based exchange and told the federal government they can do it so Wisconsin lawmakers aren’t left holding the bag when costs sky-rocket and residents are pointing fingers.

“We can make a difference, though, because states form the federal government, not the other way around,” Vos said.

Cost is king

Michael Tanner, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, heavily criticized Obamacare. The Cato Institute is a non-partisan think tank, Tanner said, which leans more towards a libertarian perspective.

Tanner told the crowd the problem with the Affordable Care Act is young and healthy people would have to pay more in premiums to subsidize coverage for others — older, sicker people and those with pre-existing conditions — and their premiums would go up a lot faster.

He criticized the health care exchanges, saying the very concept was rife with government intervention. The crowd applauded Tanner’s mention of Walker’s decision to reject the state-based exchanges. 

“I make a living making fun of Congress, but I want you to try to grasp this,” Tanner said. “They are going to create a place where buyers and sellers can come together. And the buyers will have money and the sellers will have product, and the buyers will exchange money for the product. Can you imagine that? How have we survived all of these years?”

What we can do here at home

State Sen. Leah Vukmir, R-Wauwatosa, plans to put forward bills on tort reform, tax breaks for companies that offer health insurance premium accounts for younger workers, looking at ways to build more transparency in the healthcare industry, and allowing people and companies to purchase health insurance outside of Wisconsin.

“Transparency is key, but we haven’t gone far enough,” Vukmir said. “We should be able to shop around. And why can’t we purchase insurance across state lines like we buy other products and services?”

Vukmir explained that many young workers — the "young invincibles" — don’t have insurance. But, she said, if companies earmarked money that could only be used to purchase health insurance, they would buy the insurance.

After Vukmir had her time at the podium, Vos joined her on stage for a joint Q&A. While neither thought a nullification of Obamacare is probable or realistic, they again told people they have the power in this fight. Vos and Vukmir said the way to stand up to the ACA is to take a page out of the Democrats’ playbook by talking to everyone.

“We need to support conservative talk radio and our great bloggers by talking to our friends and family and our neighbors,” Vukmir said. "The November election was tough, but Wisconsin is a bright spot. We will push forward with conservative and founding principles."

morninmist January 14, 2013 at 06:22 PM
YUP. #lyingRyan is one of the 3 who will screw the poor. http://www.salon.com/2013/01/14/bold_new_conservative_ideas_still_mostly_involve_screwing_the_poor/ Bold new conservative ideas still mostly involve screwing the poor
morninmist January 14, 2013 at 06:37 PM
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The Anti-Alinsky January 14, 2013 at 06:46 PM
Larry, you know well that ObamaCare and the RomneyCare are not the same. And ObamaCare is costing me an extra $3,000/year than before is started. BTW, you may have the third highest income, but don't you have one of the highest cost of living and tax systems?
The Anti-Alinsky January 14, 2013 at 07:13 PM
Kenoshaguy, Paul Ryan has been fighting for YEARS to get spending under control and make Social Security/Medicare solvent for the long term. Of you don't know this, you just enjoy the purple kool-aid a little to much. All Ryan has asked for is a dialog, and this is what he gets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrltAkTf38
The Anti-Alinsky January 14, 2013 at 07:15 PM
Greg, I'm not so sure Larry C knows much about Massachusetts. He is posting from the Belmont Shores-Naples Patch in California.
The Anti-Alinsky January 14, 2013 at 07:21 PM
Lyle wrote: "...Debt will grow whenever revenue is outstripped by demand. The debt growth is clearly a result of unfunded spending created by George Bush, while at the same time cutting revenues..." So in plain English, when you spend more than you take in, you create debt. Where you err Lyle is assuming that revenue is the problem, when in reality it is spending. Check out Table 1.1 under the OMB Historical Tables web page ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals ) YEAR-------REVENUE-------SPENDING-------SURPLUS/(DEFICIT) (in millions of dollars) 2000-------2,025,191-------1,788,950---------236,241 2001-------1,991,082-------1,862,846---------128,236 2002-------1,853,136-------2,010,894---------(157,758) 2003-------1,782,314-------2,159,899---------(377,585) 2004-------1,880,114-------2,292,841---------(412,727) 2005-------2,153,611-------2,471,957---------(318,346) 2006-------2,406,869-------2,655,050---------(248,181) 2007-------2,567,985-------2,728,686---------(160,701) 2008-------2,523,991-------2,982,544---------(458,553) 2009-------2,104,989-------3,517,677--------(1,412,688) 2010-------2,162,724-------3,456,213--------(1,293,489) 2011-------2,303,466-------3,603,061--------(1,299,595) 2012-------2,468,599-------3,795,547--------(1,326,948) (estimate) Notice both spending and the deficit have gone up under B.O. And Bush 43 was fighting two wars during his eight years.
Greg January 14, 2013 at 09:06 PM
Swing and a miss. Do drug dealers pay income tax? Nope. Do they pay sales tax? Yep. Do rich people pay more income tax? Yep. Do rich people pay more sales tax? Yep. Do poor people pay tax on food? Nope. Are they being screwed if they pay more tax on a TV? Who cares.
Lyle Ruble January 14, 2013 at 09:16 PM
@Richard Head....What good are credentials if you are significantly wrong. Credentials doesn't make one right. Ferguson is to the right what Paul Krugman is to the left. I respect what Ferguson has done intellectually, but I don't necessarily agree with him and I think he has incorrect suppositions. He is famous for his "what if" scenarios, but that is theoretical history. Using history in that manner is not a good foundation for future policy and action.
Lyle Ruble January 14, 2013 at 09:26 PM
@Edward Willing...How do you justify two unfunded wars, which transcended from one administration to another. The other issue regarding expenditure is the significant increases in spending and reduction of revenue connected to the "Great Recession". If John McCain would have won in 2008, the national economy and government would have experienced the same net result. This issue is clearly bigger than anyone administration, but the Republicans in the House and Senate essential shut the government down for the last two years. The Tea Party Movement is in a shambles and Ryan is using the weekend's gathering to keep alive his run for the White House in 2016.
CowDung January 14, 2013 at 09:49 PM
Unless they can figure out a way to tax wealth, the most effective way at soaking the rich is through increasing the sales tax. Wealthy people tend to have the ability to manipulate their 'incomes' to get them to a low tax rate. It's much more difficult for the rich to hide their purchases and avoid paying sales taxes.
patchreader 123 January 14, 2013 at 09:57 PM
Lyle: I continue to await your response to my comments made under your "Defining the American Male" post. http://caledonia.patch.com/blog_posts/defining-the-american-male-in-the-21st-century
Bren January 14, 2013 at 10:00 PM
The Cato Institute is nonpartisan? Perhaps it depends on how the term "nonpartisan" is defined. Even with one Koch brother out of the picture the Kochs' still get to name three more board members (out of 12). Also the new CEO is an admirer of my favorite B-author Ayn Rand. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/cato-institute-and-koch-brothers-reach-agreement/
Greg January 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM
"Pay their fair share" is a one way street. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU
CowDung January 14, 2013 at 10:18 PM
Do you still believe yourself to be non-partisan?
robert heule January 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Senator ALEC in Dairyland AKA Leah Vukmir, where was Glenn Grothmann? I thought he would be helping you and Paul and Robin spread lies about the Affordable Health Care Act. Will Paul introduce the 34th unsuccessful attempt to repeal ACA . Are you trying to be the Michelle Bachmann of Wisconsin?
Bob McBride January 14, 2013 at 10:27 PM
Maybe you could enlighten us with the specifics on the lies.
Bren January 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM
As you may have realized from our discussion under the State of the State article, I am a fiscal conservative. In that regard I don't care whose hand is on the plate, if you are handing me b.s. don't call it pumpkin pie. It's possible to be fiscally conservative while supporting social investments. In the current economic environment, stimulus spending could be considered a form of social investment. If people are making money they spend it, pay taxes, and the economy hums. The empowerment of people. I believe it is also a hallmark of the true conservative that there is expectation of and demand for open, transparent government. That means, in my definition, and as a fundamental belief, that the infiltration of special interest groups muddies the water, so to "speak" and should be limited. Why should one small group have more say in government than the majority because they have more money. And yet. Cutting the size of government isn't the answer, reducing the influence of special interests on our legislators is. Then government would appear more logical in its operations, which is what I believe fuels the call for smaller government. Decisions are made that benefit a few at the expense of the majority and that doesn't make sense in the big picture. That's why I have an affinity for Libertarianism. The Tea Party is Authoritarian, not Libertarian.
CowDung January 14, 2013 at 10:55 PM
You claim to oppose special interest groups, yet still voted for Obama (while failing to call him out for the constant stream of lobbyists visiting the Whitehouse). Interesting...
Lyle Ruble January 15, 2013 at 01:27 AM
@patchreader 123....What response are you looking for? I don't remember you making a direct inquirer. If you did, please restate your inquiry.
AWD January 15, 2013 at 04:50 AM
I remember when our country believed in the rule of law. The more I watch what Americans permit Obama to get away with, the more I realize just how long ago that was.
Bob McBride January 15, 2013 at 01:54 PM
morninmist January 15, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Be moral and smart @GovWalker and follow in Gov Brewer's foodsteps on this issue! @Progress2day Wake up @GovWalker! Brewer On Support Of Medicaid Expansion: 'It's A Moral Thing' livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/brewer-o… #wipolitics
The Anti-Alinsky January 15, 2013 at 07:35 PM
Lyle, now you have gone from the debt being created under Bush43 to trying to justify it with the recession and two wars. That may have explained the first year, but what about the next three? By the way, the recession was brought on by Democrats refusal to listen to warnings of instability: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbIb75JdwY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC88oox9TBo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-T9Iryuwi0
Brian Dey January 15, 2013 at 08:21 PM
Lyle- What the hell are you talking about? The Republicans in the House and the Senate shut down the government? Excuse me, but were we on the same planet the last two years? How do I put this lightly... Hmmm. - You're full of crap! I believe it was the Republican House that produced budget after budget (remember what those are Democrats?) in which Harry Reid refused to bring to a vote, or even present a compromise bill. or wait, failed to produce a counter-proposal so that the bills could be caucused. The House Republicans, led by Ryan, passed bill after bill on reforming Social Security and Medicaid and the tax code. The Democrat Senate, led by Sir Harry Reid, again did nothing. Bill after bill passed by the House, didn't die in the Senate, they died in congressional purgatory.
Lyle Ruble January 15, 2013 at 10:15 PM
@Brian Dey....I think we have been living on different planets. I see the TEA/GOP as being obstructionistic and you see them as being productive. Net results, their unwillingness to leave ideology behind and their failure to compromise has caused the deadlock. Guess what, the election is over and its time to get back to working on compromise solutions.
CowDung January 15, 2013 at 10:34 PM
Lyle: How can you blame only one side for the deadlock? It seemed to me that neither side was/is willing to stray from their ideological demands...
The Anti-Alinsky January 15, 2013 at 11:21 PM
Lyle wrote: "I see the TEA/GOP as being obstructionistic and you see them as being productive. Net results, their unwillingness to leave ideology behind and their failure to compromise has caused the deadlock." Lyle, it all depends on your perspective. If the purpose is to steal from productive Americans to give to those that don't want to work, then yes, the TEA Party and GOP are obstructing that process. If your purpose is to get the economy moving again and provide more jobs, then the Democrats are being the obstructionists. "Guess what, the election is over and its time to get back to working on compromise solutions." Compromise requires BOTH sides to give up some ground. Republicans just compromised on the Bush tax cuts. When are the Democrats going to give some ground?
Bob McBride January 15, 2013 at 11:27 PM
Didn't think so.
robert heule January 16, 2013 at 03:16 AM
Any more news from the barren cabbage fields?
Suzanne M. Schuelke January 26, 2013 at 04:19 AM
'Obamacare' creates more federal bureaucracy. that's all it does. "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."


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