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Despite Some Issues with Petitions, Recalls Likely to Move Forward

Some fraud allegations were true, some were false, and some complaints will likely yield to an investigation. But there aren't enough to stop the recall from moving forward, state election official says.

The head of the agency that oversees elections in Wisconsin says there have been some instances of fraudulent signatures found on the petitions seeking to recall Republican Gov. Scott Walker from office.

And with at least three outside groups going through the signatures looking for problems, Government Accountability Board Director Kevin Kennedy said his staff expects to hear even more allegations about possible fraud.

While the GAB and other agencies will investigate all such complaints, it's unlikely there will be enough of them to stop the recall from moving forward, Kennedy said in a memo released Friday.

"The highly polarized political atmosphere which has engendered the current recall initiatives has also generated a constant buzz of speculation about illegal activity with respect to the recall efforts," Kennedy wrote.

"This speculation has ranged from allegations of people signing a petition with a name other than their own, including fictitious characters, with made up addresses; claims of multiple signings by the same individual and threats of destruction of petition pages by opponents of the recall effort,"he added. "Both proponents and opponents of the recalls have spewed accusations through social media, email, voice mail, talk radio and the media."

The GAB has taken such allegations seriously, he noted, and is working with the state Department of Justice and district attorneys around Wisconsin to investigate such complaints.

However, "given the the large number of signatures over the required thresholds, it is not plausible to believe these complaints would have an impact on the ultimate sufficiency of the recall petitions," Kennedy said.

The effort to recall Walker, Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch, and four Republican state senators began on Nov. 15. More than 1 million gubernatorial recall signatures were turned into the GAB, which has spent the last two months verifying them. Recall organizers needed to collect about 540,000 valid signatures to force an election.

Kennedy's memo was part of a packet of documents released Friday by the GAB in advance of the board's meeting in Madison on Monday. In the documents, Kennedy and the GAB staff said there are enough valid signatures to move forward with the of Racine.

Kennedy also is recommending that the GAB on Monday ask a Dane County judge for more time to review the Walker recall petitions and proposed that recall elections be held in May and June.

In Kenney's memo, GAB officials reported that they investigated a claim made by an unidentified Milwaukee man who said he had signed the petition 80 times. The man’s name was referred to the Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office, but the GAB never found that name on the petitions.

On the other hand, of Racine was charged earlier this month with two felony counts of election fraud/nomination certification and seven felony counts of misappropriating identifying information for financial gain. If convicted on all charges, Demet faces up to 42 years in prison and fines up to $90,000. Kennedy reported that those signatures were thrown out.

A Caledonia man who is a Walker supporter also told Patch that he had and planned to burn them, but then he changed his mind. No law enforcement agency has requested the man's name.

Kennedy noted that recall organizers and the Republican Party of Wisconsin have set up websites and hotlines for people to register complaints about the recall process. Verify the Recall, a website that encouraged people to register their complaints, stated they intended to the help the GAB by offering an online searchable database of the signatures.

Kennedy said it was likely the GAB would get complaints from these sources and the agency intends to take those complaints seriously even though there may not be enough to stop the recall elections.

He said that the focus of an investigation should include whether the complaints represent “a pattern of activity or isolated events.” However, the specifics of those potential investigations will be discussed in closed session by the GAB.

RAP March 12, 2012 at 03:37 am
interesting that there is that much overtime to be had....sounds like someone doesn't know how to do a budget correctly.....i mean.... if u offer sick leave..then wouldn't u hire enough employees to cover those type of days ? as for making 100 grand in overtime pay....& 59 grand in base pay.......this sounds more like management doesn't know what they r doing....please...don't base these wages on uions....base ur fight on unions on the base salary of the drivers...not the overtime wage because of poor management
Dark Star March 12, 2012 at 04:02 am
Thanks Lyle, some of that I didn't know, some I had forgotten and some I already knew. Speaking of factoids, here is one that just occurred to me and is probably one reason I follow Wisconsin politics more than in most states.
In 1973 -1975, during my last two years of high school in Roanoke Virginia (Western Va) I had a very conservative advanced government teacher who was in the John Birch Society. I remember the government teacher had news articles, Nazi propaganda posters and other items on the wall to scare students into being ferarful of the creeping socialist menace. I remember one was an article about the former card carrying Socialist Mayor of Milwaukee, Frank Zeidler. Because of the era, I wondered how that could be. I figured he must have been a pretty good mayor for the population to tolerate that during that era, despite my distaste for socialism, especially at that time. Seldom thought about it until living many years in Williamsburg Va where I attended William and Mary. Recently, we had our long time Mayor, Jeanne Zeidler, retire from office. She is married to one of my old history professors who has just published a book. About 20 years ago I learned she was the daughter of Frank Zeidler and the neice of Carl Zeidler, another Milwaukee Mayor who resigned in 1942 to fight during WWII and was killed. I expressed my condolences when I read her father Frank died in 2010. That was a rough year for Jeanne Zeidler because her only son died too.
Anti-Socialist March 12, 2012 at 01:38 pm
So what's the solution? Continue wasting middle-class taxpayer $$ on ridiculous recalls? I know socialists don't like hearing this, but, NEWSFLASH, you live in a capitalist country. The irresponsibility of the Dems is infinite.
Steve March 12, 2012 at 02:43 pm
Daily kos is giving you the liberal talking points again Dark Star?
J H RDH March 12, 2012 at 07:51 pm
Amen!
J H RDH March 12, 2012 at 08:13 pm
Maybe all of the taxpayer dollars wasted on Voter ID could be earmarked to help support public education or help fund the State's decaying infrastructure.
Wendell Swegan March 12, 2012 at 09:12 pm
@ Lyle Ruble. Since you seem to know alot about socialism. Please explain why. USSR failed. Money? Socialism kills business, personal spirit,kills those who diagree, My wife lived her first 38 years there and she has many friends who came here. They love it here. Russia is losing citizens rapidly. This USA is the best country that has ever been on this planet but it did not prosper on socialism,
Lyle Ruble March 12, 2012 at 09:38 pm
@Wendell Swegan...Without writing a "white paper" on the Soviet Union and Soviet style communism, the reason that the USSR failed was because they were a totalitarian regime. I agree that full socialism and many of Marx's and Engel's principles are incorrect and are not sustainable. I am a social democrat and I believe in regulated capitalism. There has been and currently a tension between the competing philosophies of sovereign individualism and sovereign communalism.
I am pleased that your spouse was able to successfully immigrate. I personally helped to resettle over 300 hundred families in the late 1980s and early 1990s. I agree that our nation is one of greatness and I would welcome a return to non-partisan governance.
Wendell Swegan March 12, 2012 at 10:02 pm
@Lyle Ruble... I really appreciate the response. You certainly have done great things. The material covered in her study for citizenship was very satisfying to me and a challenge to my knowledge of our country. She could have Acd. all 100 of the questions. These people are better citizens than many of our own. I felt so good about how our forefathers sacrificed to build this great experiment. These leaders of today are trashing the constitution every day. Isn't socialism a totalitarian regime by definition? I am just a 73 year old student of American destruction. Scott Walker trying to fix an ill and it looks good to me.
Lyle Ruble March 12, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@Wendell Swegan...Ideally, a socialist country is not totalitarian but egalitarian, with leadership rotating through the population. However, this is one of the faults of Marxism, it is only theoretical. The hunter-gatherer societies of are communistic and truly socialistic. However, for it to work, groups cannot usually exceed 25 to 30 people and they are generally related as an extended family.
Our nation is based on compromise between the rights of the individual and the rights of the communal group. It swings back and forth like a pendulum; at times swinging in favor of individual rights and swinging back to communal rights. What is currently troubling the nation is extremism. We work best when we govern from the middle. Part of that process is maintaining a balance of power between the three branches of government. A major issue in Wisconsin is that all three branches are controlled by very conservative forces and there isn't anyway to balance and reach compromise. Therefore, the opposition needs to regain control of at least one of the branches.
Wendell Swegan March 13, 2012 at 12:08 am
@Lyle Ruble...We seemed to do well in the USA until elected officials thought the people should have less power giving them more. Wisconsin and the whole labor union situation is out of control. The tax payers have no representation and the whole country can't afford it. We cannot compromise 40 percent borrowing in US budget We must tighten the belt or collapse our economy and in 3 years not 10.
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2012 at 12:48 am
@Wendell Swegan...Our nation was founded by white plutocrats (wealth and power held in only a few hands). This has remained throughout our history. Again back to the pendulum illustration; when wealth is held in too few hands, the lower and middle classes expand and are driven downwards economically. The "Gilded Age" (1850 to 1920) is a prime example. That was the time of the "Robber Barons" with extreme wealth and power. The Progressive Movement which had its genesis beginning in the 1890s began pushing back against this Plutocracy. Names from that era include J.P. Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, J. Gould, the Vanderbilt family, the Roosevelt family, E. H. Harriman, etc. The Progressive Movement began using the power of the government to redistribute the power back to the lower and middle classes. The union movements were in response to the absolute corruption and poor working conditions created by owners in pursuit of profits and the exploitation of the working classes. Through the process of collective bargaining the true middle class was created and workers rights established.
As far as Wisconsin's unions, the public employee unions, except for the teachers, have been relatively weak in comparison to their private sector counterparts. The unions were not breaking the state, it was all designed as a manipulation to cut off funding to the Democratic Party since unions almost exclusively support Democrats. (continued)
Wendell Swegan March 13, 2012 at 01:06 am
I don't know of any country that has the wealth in the hands of everyone. I don't have any figures because everyone lies when they present them. I believe the US economy has driven the economy and development of the world in the last 100 years.
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2012 at 01:07 am
@Wendell Swegan...(continued) What the Republican Party has been accused of is attempting to create a one party conservative state, when at least half the state are more moderate or liberal. The conservative movement is supported by the plutocracy to maintain and grow they wealth and power. Under extreme conservatism people are actually less free and their choices are more limited. You are only 6 years older than me and you remember very well the banned books, censured comedians, Sunday "blue laws", restrictions against buying birth control without being married, against the law to be homosexual, no interracial marriages, etc.
What many don't realize is that we are continue to borrow because we are not bringing in too little revenue. Taxes have been too low for thirty years and the government has fought two wars without funding them. We have spent too much on military and not enough on infrastructure.
jt March 13, 2012 at 01:14 am
hoffa, you really should have called yourself william schatner. the big giant head role from third rock from the sun fits you well. and your sooo good at science fiction!
Wendell Swegan March 13, 2012 at 01:20 am
I went to work in the steel mill in 1959. There were people who were there in 1930s and they told the story o the terrible conditions before the unions. We progressed to the unreasonable contracts with 13 week vacations and my UAW friends who were off for months every year in the 60s and 70s.Some of these things were corrected but many things still exist.I know steel is better now because I go there a lot. I still see abuses in other unions.
jt March 13, 2012 at 01:24 am
facts speak louder then opinions and the facts do not look good for walker. fbi john doe investigation, very little job growth even though he has given millions in tax breaks to corperations, voter suppression, and a jobs session that only yeilded a concealed carry law. wow! that created lots of jobs!
Wendell Swegan March 13, 2012 at 01:28 am
The government is grabbing more today with card check , carbon tax, socialized medicine and welfare for 1/2 the people. The working people have to pay for this in other countries with 60 percent tax that is an incentive killer.
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2012 at 01:32 am
@Wendell Swegan...Look at the Scandinavian nations and you will find the largest middle classes with good wealth distribution. They are all social democracies and have the most stable societies.
The United States has been the strongest economy since the Second World War. If you remember, we were the only industrial economy left intact after the war. We easily transitions from building tanks and aircraft over to washing machines and cars. We rebuilt the rest of the world's manufacturing base, plus we had fifteen years of pent up domestic demand after the Depression and the War. We had unprecedented growth for about 15 years and the middle class grew as well to unprecedented heights. As other nation's economies came on line the world markets began to be segmented. What that has shifted wealth was the switch over to supply side economics and it is also responsible for shipping jobs overseas.
Wendell Swegan March 13, 2012 at 01:37 am
@Lyle Ruble.. I really appreciate your effort to educate me as I believe you have studied this more than I have. Our government spends to much, There isn't enough money in the world to support our economy today.
jt March 13, 2012 at 01:39 am
hey wendell, have you ever owned a steel mill? i found a kind of funny story about that!
James R Hoffa March 13, 2012 at 01:41 am
@jt 'john' -
I love William Shatner and science fiction! I actually met him once at a hotel bar in Milwaukee about 12 years ago and ended up having an hour long conversation with him. We got along quite well! Your comparison of Hoffa to Shatner is very flattering indeed - thanks for the compliment!
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2012 at 02:03 am
@Wendell Swegan...Let's set the record straight. Think about having pants with two pockets. In one pocket is what you pay for privately and the other pocket is what you pay for with taxes. No matter the service or product you're going to pay out of one pocket or another. In Northern Europe you pay out of the tax pocket but less out of the private pocket. Here it's the opposite, where we pay more out of the private pocket than we do out of the tax pockect. Unfortunately we get a lot less for our dollar than they do. They get universal health care, universal retirement, universal education all the way through university, medical school is free tuition, etc. Compare us in Wisconsin to Denmark. We have about the same population. They live longer, have better overall health, better educated and are rated as one of the most satisfied nation in the world.
There are quite a few entrepreneurs and they are strong capitalists. Denmark's wages are comperable to ours in Wisconsin and they have as much or more incentive as we do.
James R Hoffa March 13, 2012 at 02:08 am
I see that Lyle is in his element tonight!
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2012 at 02:20 am
@JRH ...Yup! How you doing? I've seen you splashing around on other threads. Doesn't seem like much has changed. How big a turnout do you think you'll get on the 25th? It would be nice if you could beat the turnout that you had at Hart Park. Are you expecting any protestors or will the Mall control that for you? Just curious.
James R Hoffa March 13, 2012 at 03:00 am
@Lyle -
Good evening! I'm doing pretty well, although I'd much rather be where I was the previous weekend, if you catch my drift ;-) No, not very much has changed, has it. We're expecting anywhere between 100-200 people at the mall event. The event was never intended to be that large scale, but rather an opportunity to get the dedicated Walker activists together before we started going full steam into the recall campaign effort. We expect some protestors, as you've probably been able to tell via Keith Schmitz and company's reactions to our event on the Patch boards. It's nice to see you having a nice conversation with Wendell - I've been passively following along. We should really try and get together sometime in persona, as I'd love to meet you. Have a great night!
Dark Star March 13, 2012 at 07:05 am
Hi Steve. Just logging on, reading the paper or turning on the TV probably gives most Americans more talking points than they want on this matter. I think people keep watching though. Just like it's hard to avert your eyes from a train wreck. It's painful, you can't believe it, you want to stop it, but it keeps coming so you watch it. You can't help yourself. It's like Watergate, John Edward's saga or the 2012 Republican Primaries. Too awful for words.
Dark Star March 13, 2012 at 08:13 am
Hi Wendell and Lyle. I'm impressed by the civil and substantive discussion you guys are having on socialism. I would even say the US is already socialist in several areas such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Nearly everyone was fine with them until it was pointed out they are actually socialist programs. Perhaps people have forgotten that before Social Security, old age was a sentence of poverty for most people. Before Medicare, the US life expectancy was much shorter. Before Medicaid, the really poor had all sorts of endemic and contagious diseases that caused all sorts of problems.
Wendell and Lyle are right that the US has unwisely spent way too much. Especially by borrowing to finance several counterproductive military adventures and increasing numbers of military bases around the world. A few Trillion dollars would have solved the solvency problems of Social Security and Medicare. Thanks, oh wise and great leaders!! Lyle is right that the US tax burden is lower than it has been in over a generation. Especially for the very wealthy whose effective tax rates have really gone down, causing the US deficit to explode, poverty to rise, income disparity to widen and our infrastructure to decline. That being said, there is validity to Wendell's criticisms of Democrat tendencies to overspend on nannystate programs, new classes of victims and occasionally, poorly planned entitlements that hinder self-reliance and/or self initiative in favor of handouts.
Dark Star March 13, 2012 at 08:42 am
Lyle's example of the Scandinavian countries as examples of Democratic Socialism actually producing the happiest people, longer lives, better health and more stable societies is true.
That being said, I suspect much of Europe would be spending more on their militaries if they weren't being protected by US dominated NATO or the US nuclear umbrella. Nevertheless, they are good models which by and large have peaceful and reasonable people and governments. Even France and Brittain with their socialized medicine have an average life span about two years longer than Americans. Considering what the US spends on healthcare per capita, we are definitely not getting what we pay for. In fact I think we are getting ripped off in what is called a free market system, except that it isn't. It's rigged. Though I am not a huge fan of "Obamacare", it may turn out to be better than the status quo which is the real train wreck bearing down upon us. What kills me is that the whole issue of the premium mandate that most Republican states are challenging in court as an unconstitutional government takeover of healthcare, isn't that at all. It was a Republican idea that emerged as a response to the Hillary-Care proposal of the early 1990's. It came from the Heritage Foundation and was based on personal responsibility, self reliance and paying your way. They loved it until Obama adopted it and now it is portrayed as a Socialist Death Panel menace that will kill Americans. Jeez!
Dark Star March 13, 2012 at 09:20 am
Yeah Wendell, I also agree that too many Dems would be willing to carbon tax our economy to death without demanding reciprocation from economies like India and China that bring on a new Coal fired plant every week. We could stop emitting all carbon in the US, and without China, India, Brazil, Korea etc, there'd be very little difference except that we would be more uncompetitive and soon be broke. That's not to say that we shouldn't reduce air pollution and persuade others to do it too. It's worth Googling John McCain's take on air pollution and Climate Change during the 2008 campaign. It's on the web from various campaign speeches and is pretty reasonable.
Lyle, your Denmark example is right on. I drove up to a fisheries conference in Wash DC last week and ended up talking for two hours to a Danish guy named Paul at a New Zealand Seafood reception. Most of what you said about Danes could apply to him too. We had a lively, wideranging and substantive discussion comparing American, Danish and international politics and issues. He seemed happy to talk to an American who actually knew a little about Danish politics, culture and other European issues. He was with an international fishery group. When I asked him for critiques or observations of various American political and other issues, he had some keen answers. One that sticks with me was his characterization of how and why some American's had not absorbed certain lessons learned in The Enlightenment.

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