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On the article Recall Rematch: Record Voter Turnout Expected in High-Stakes Election
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On the article Recall Rematch: Record Voter Turnout Expected in High-Stakes Election
Dark Star
10:11 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
ReplyWhen the House Judiciary Committee was considering articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon in 1974, there were six Republican Congressmen who put allegiance to the law, the integrity of the office and the public’s well-being above allegiance to political party and blind partisan ideology. Those six voted for two of the three articles of impeachment, despite threats from their own party against their careers and persons. One of them was my Congressman M. Caldwell Butler. One of them was your Congressman, Harold Froehlich, R-Wisc. (One was also Rep William Cohen R-Maine, later to become Bill Clinton’s Secretary of Defense) Here is a good article on those important people, but there are many others. http://www.salon.com/2007/11/26/gop74/ I think you now have a Republican statesman in your State Senate in the person of Sen Schultz.
As I type this the election projection is coming over the news channels and Walker has won by a wide margin. Congratulations to those who won. So, I’ll just let this be my last answer to any questions or accusations I didn’t have time to address.
In my opinion, when partisans blindly support a party nominee who is widely seen to be dishonest or unethical in his actions and words, then government has failed and isn’t working. (Think Marion Barry, former corrupt Mayor of DC) When an out-of-state cartel of billionaires can determine an election with sheer wealth, then we have lost our Democracy.
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On the article Barrett, Walker: Where They Stand on Key Issues in Recall Race
Dark Star
10:03 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I’m an independent, who until recently, leaned conservative. I have become alarmed at the extent anonymous money and powerful financial interests have taken control of our polity and politics.
After the Citizen’s United decision our elections are now for sale, and the purchasers of the election don’t even have to reveal their names. I believe certain billionaires and banksters bled the economy into near collapse and may be on the cusp of controlling the US government, primarily for their benefit. I think they are using their money in an Orwellian fashion and that they are too far removed from the average person to run government for the people’s freedom and wellbeing. I think they just bought Wisconsin today and will now try to exterminate their opposition for good.
We’ll now see whether Walker will do as he said and unite Wisconsin and others that have been torn asunder by his actions. Hopefully he will have learned a lesson, try to do as he said and reverse the Machiavellian strategies and tactics he has employed so far. Hopefully he will now govern fairly and most people will prosper. I just fear that he and some of the other Republicans will over-reach, as they seem recently inclined to do.
See Ya! Over and Out.
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On the article Barrett, Walker: Where They Stand on Key Issues in Recall Race
Dark Star
10:02 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
ReplyWhen the House Judiciary Committee was considering articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon in 1974, there were six Republican Congressmen who put allegiance to the law, the integrity of the office and the public’s well-being above allegiance to political party and blind partisan ideology. Those six voted for two of the three articles of impeachment, despite threats from their own party against their careers and persons. One of them was my Congressman M. Caldwell Butler. One of them was your Congressman, Harold Froehlich, R-Wisc. (One was also Rep William Cohen R-Maine, later to become Bill Clinton’s Secretary of Defense) Here is a good article on those important people, but there are many others. http://www.salon.com/2007/11/26/gop74/ I think you now have a Republican statesman in your State Senate in the person of Sen Schultz.
As I type this the election projection is coming over the news channels and Walker has won by a wide margin. Congratulations to those who won. So, I’ll just let this be my last answer to any questions or accusations I didn’t have time to address.
In my opinion, when partisans blindly support a party nominee who is widely seen to be dishonest or unethical in his actions and words, then government has failed and isn’t working. (Think Marion Barry, former corrupt Mayor of DC) When an out-of-state cartel of billionaires can determine an election with sheer wealth, then we have lost our Democracy.
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On the article Walker Recall: What You Need to Know Before Casting a Ballot
Dark Star
6:44 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Well, I tried to go over to another board as you requested, but you couldn't contain your blind right wing fact manipulations long enough to realize it, so I'll answer you here one more time. I didn't know you were the bully God of the Board who is the equivalent of the guy who thinks he won the argument just because he shouted everyone else down. You seem practiced in posting falsehoods and right wing spin, but not so good at making cogent fact based arguments.
Your spin on the well known specifics I gave you is what I would expect from a defense lawyer who is practiced at the art of defending the indefensible. I see you employ all the common logical fallacies to defend your partisan arguments (www.logicalfallacies.com), but it isn't hard to point out your selectivity of facts, or your penchant for making them up. Your Karl Rove and Frank Luntz spin may get you somewhere with others, but I will call you on it if I feel like it. Almost every charge you make looks like you are personally projecting you own shortcomings and agenda on others. It's rank hypocrisy and not hard to detect or unravel.
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On the article Barrett, Walker: Where They Stand on Key Issues in Recall Race
Dark Star
5:48 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
JRH, I hope you do better in a courtroom than making stuff up and supporting it with a string of ad hominem, strawman and red herring arguments. Again it seems your shallow arguments are merely projections of your own argument's shortcomings and similarly, your conclusions are merely a collection of logical fallacies.
Your take on women is particularly egregious and is a reflection of the recent Republican Party in general. You are actually the one who is calling women stupid by suggesting they are not smart enough to discern that the Dems are supposedly preying on them. I trust women to make their own decisions and figure it likely is none of my business to decide if they made the right one or the wrong one. Republicans however, are still discriminating against them by denying them equal pay for equal work, no matter how you spin it.
When Republicans claim to be for small government at the same time they want government to dictate their reproductive rights and track their pregnancies to make sure they end the way they want them to, that is hypocrisy. Like anyone else, women are generally smart enough to see through the GOP spin and that is why there is a verifiable gender gap of the majority of women not supporting the GOP. The reason I left the GOP is that in social, financial and other issues, the current Republican party is like America's equivalent of the Taliban. Totally regressive and largely ignorant of what used to be considered right and wrong.
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On the article Recall Rematch: Record Voter Turnout Expected in High-Stakes Election
Dark Star
4:49 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Hoffa, you are really one to ask someone to knock off the BS. Coming from you, that is really rich. You will still be defending Walker all the way to the crowbar hotel! I noticed earlier that someone indicated you are an attorney. I guess that means that you are skilled in defending the indefensible. Your illogically rigid and dogmatic partisanship indicate to me that not only are you not interested in facts that don't comport with your agenda, you seem to have some sort of conflictual interest in defending Walker for his indefensible statements and actions. Maybe you are sucking on the Koch teats too? Maybe you will get to be one of his minions working on his criminal defense!! I'll look for you during Walker's perp walk on the way to his arraignment and eventual indictment. Good Luck, but don't let any of Walker's dishonesty rub off on you, if its not too late. LOL
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On the article Recall Rematch: Record Voter Turnout Expected in High-Stakes Election
Dark Star
4:40 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
You want an example of something a billionaire got that was out of the ordinary? Sure, they are all over the place. When his billionaire non-taxpaying financial backer, Diane Hendricks, asked if they could ever get a totally red state among other things I'm sure you have seen the videos of Walker's plan to "Divide and Conquer" selected Wisconsonites. You ought to listen again to the fake Koch phone call too.
When the Governor tells you his secret strategy to divide and conquer your political foes, that is receiving something special indeed. That was not what he was elected for, and thus he deceived the voters and went into office with a secret plan to pursue an agenda favored by his billionaire donors from all over.
There are two specific instances for you in Walker's own words, but I suppose you will ignore them in your black and white world where you seem to have appointed yourself as the sole arbiter of the facts.
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On the article Recall Rematch: Record Voter Turnout Expected in High-Stakes Election
Dark Star
4:37 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
JRH, citing a source when you agree with it and disparaging it when you don't is known as rank hypocrisy.
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On the article Barrett, Walker: Where They Stand on Key Issues in Recall Race
Dark Star
4:27 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Hoffa, You want an example of something a billionaire got that was out of the ordinary? Sure, they are all over the place. How about when his billionaire non-taxpaying financial backer, Diane Hendricks, asked if they could ever get a totally red state among other things? I'm sure you have seen the videos of Walker's plan to "Divide and Conquer" selected Wisconsonites. You ought to listen again to the fake Koch phone call too.
When the Governor tells you his secret strategy to divide and conquer your political foes, that is receiving something special indeed. That was not what he was elected for, and thus he deceived the voters and went into office with a secret plan to pursue an agenda favored by his billionaire donors from all over.
Dark Star
10:11 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I’m an independent, who until recently, leaned conservative. I have become alarmed at the extent anonymous money and powerful financial interests have taken control of our polity and politics.
After the Citizen’s United decision our elections are now for sale, and the purchasers of the election don’t even have to reveal their names. I believe certain billionaires and banksters bled the economy into near collapse and may be on the cusp of controlling the US government, primarily for their benefit. I think they are using their money in an Orwellian fashion and that they are too far removed from the average person to run government for the people’s freedom and wellbeing. I think they just bought Wisconsin today and will now try to exterminate their opposition for good.
We’ll now see whether Walker will do as he said and unite Wisconsin and others that have been torn asunder by his actions. Hopefully he will have learned a lesson, try to do as he said and reverse the Machiavellian strategies and tactics he has employed so far. Hopefully he will now govern fairly and most people will prosper. I just fear that he and some of the other Republicans will over-reach, as they seem recently inclined to do.
See Ya! Over and Out.