@morninmist -

Ever stop to think that if a majority of the signatures from certain circulators contain a variety of different handwritings in the same line that it could very well be indicative of something funky going on - like the signatures submitted from DeMet for example?

You guys were doing the same thing when the tables were reversed so I don't understand why you're now trying to make a deal out of it, unless of course you're trying to show us your double-standards and hypocrisy - but we already knew that :-)

You guys did your work, now let us do ours, just as the GAB will do theirs!

So Bren, we should just take the recall petitioners at their word that all the "irregularities" have been weeded out. Why then did I come across three pages where the petitioner's date was after every signatory on their sheet? Why then did I find several people who signed "Mawaukee" and "Melwakee" as their voting location? Why did the person sitting across from me find her niece, living in Minnesota, sign using her grandparents address?

The fact is there is A LOT of fraud in these recall petitions, and we need to find out if there is indeed 540,208 VALID signatures.

@HRG -

Are any of the stories you're hearing independently verifiable?

Unless it's independently verifiable and confirmed, I don't trust blind assertions from either side. It's just too partisan and heated to believe anyone at face value, in my honest opinion.

As everyone already knows, Hoffa condemns bullying and harassment from all sides, and such behavior should not be tolerated if in fact it's occurring.

Heather I presume you are referring to this article regarding the family: http://crgofracine.blogspot.com/2012/02/this-is-what-election-fraud-looks-like.html
I uncovered the story, I wrote it and I spoke with several of the victims. Channel 4in Milw also did a report on it and it is linked in this story. The same guy forged at least 2 of his neighbors signatures and they are both pressing charges. You can look up the documents your self. Don't believe me..check it yourself.

@john -

I don't think several reputable media outlets would be running with the story if it were indeed the kind of simple mix-up you're referring to. You'll notice that Mr. DeMet is also being investigated for possibly forging several other signatures than just Mr. Adams.

@james, well i just think that news stories like this should be a confirmed story before they drag someone's name through the mud. if it hasn't been substantiated yet, the sherrif shouldn't have the right to release a statement like that. and if it has been, the perp should have been arrested by now.

@john -

Interesting position to take, as I don't see you applying the same standard to the Gov Walker John Doe FBI investigation stories. Judging from you comments on that situation, it appears as if you're ready to throw away the key in Walker's case.

JT Mr. Adams and his other neighbors have been in contact with the investigators. Several other fraudulent signatures collected and witnessed by Mr. Demet have been turned over to the Investigators to be researched.

marge, i can't speak for jason or his neighbor, but the ciculaters mother could well be valid. unless she contests it herself.

JT, When she was interviewed on channel 4 news, she said she didn't sign a petition.

well marge, i guess this lady pretty much just made her own son look pretty guilty. this is a really strange story! could be a lot of people in trouble on this one. i hope we all get to see the updates on this.

@john -

So a phone call conversation is enough for you to judge one's character in having the capacity to commit overtly criminal acts without the need for additional conclusive evidence, but a circulator's petition that happens to have several forged signatures on it just doesn't cut the mustard for you.

You do realize how ridiculous that sounds, don't you?

So jt, your upset because the governor takes a phone call from someone (he thought) could bring THOUSANDS of jobs into the state. Your upset because he tries to establish a report with someone that could bring in THOUSANDS of jobs into the state.

I do not kn ow how many time I have threatened to send my daughters to military school or my son's to finishing school. How many people do you think took me serious?

Get over it jt, the fake Koch bro interview is a very minor thing.

heather, i agree, and that would explain why the sherrif's office said that jason hasn't contacted them yet

It seems that a relative of his, Jeff, is also posting online about complaints of forgery...from what I hear - he is pretty cozy with Citizens for Responsible Government of Racine. It all sounds a little too weird.

BUT if it does indeed come down to being that Demet is responsible for forging names...that will really piss me off. We don't need people like that dragging our best intentions down.

That being said...very VERY fishy...

@HRG -

So you're suggesting that DeMet is willing to go to jail for Walker in some crazy attempt to discredit the recall movement?

@john -

How does that "explain why the sherrif's (sic) office said that jason hasn't contacted them yet?"

@HRG -

So, DeMet's relative Jeff is in with Citizen's Responsible Government. You're right, family members with varying political affiliations do sound "a little too weird."

Hey, don't you come from a family of varying political affiliations? Man, that's weird. Wait a minute, so do I. It just keeps getting weirder, doesn't it :-)

The only thing that we factually know is that a number of signatures were forged on the Wanggaard petition and that DeMet is the prime suspect. Anything beyond that is pure conjecture and speculation.

Hoffa - I am pretty sure you know that is NOT what I am saying.

I was a circulator. If I forged my families signatures...THAT would be weird. I cannot even imagine doing that.

If my brother forged my name, yes...I would be livid and would do something about it. I would, however, NOT contact the media before anything else. Too weird. Same with the mother.

Whole thing is weird and it has nothing to do with conflicting political stances. Pretty sure you know that too.

@james, i think it's a bit strange that you or anybody else would support a governor who openly talked over the phone about beating constituants with a baseball bat.

@HRG -

Yeah, of course I know - I was being emphatic ;-)

The whole story does sound like a tangled web, but given the current political climate, the smartest thing to do in situations such as this would be going to the media first, as it would prevent cover-ups from occurring as well as possible disappearances from happening, if you catch my drift.

Sounds like Adams went to the media while the mother was sought out by the media for comment - nothing super strange about any of that per say, is there?

@john -

In case you didn't realize it, Gov Walker was being emphatic in regards to the baseball bat issue. Believe me, coming from a multi-generation UAW family, I've had the opportunity to hang out with several auto-workers and Teamsters. You should hear the way several of those guys talk about their wives / girlfriends. Being a Teamster, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about here. Does that mean that I should judge all union men as being anti-feminine womanizers? Of course not, because I know that it's just 'guy talk' and that they were being emphatic.

Get it john? You're trying to make something out of nothing. If the phone call was criminal, like Blagojevich's, then don't you think Eric Holder and the feds would have been here slapping the cuffs on Walker already? You know they would be. But that didn't happen, did it. Because the phone-call is nothing more than a red herring.

You have to come up with something better than that john.

OR, is this DeMet guy a unionista posing as a Walker supporter posing as a unionista posing as a Walker supporter posing as a unionista posing as a Walker supporter posing as a unionista posing as a Walker supporter posing as a unionista posing as a Walker supporter?

Heather Mark Demet is an avowed lefty. His ex wife is a Dem supporter, his Son Jacksom (Of LaCrosse), is as well. Jeff and his family are not, and I presume his mother is not either, based upon her interview and my questioning of her son. I realize HRG you might want to blame Mark for fraudulent behavior on behalf of the GOP..but he was down at the Wal-Mart on several different days with the rest of the lefties, gathering signatures. His brother has told me before about his one Lefty Brother. (We compare family stories, since I have a divided family politically as well). Denial Heather is not a river in Egypt! Quit trying to pooh-pooh the story and just accept this is one of many fraudsters.

To be clear HRG, I contacted Jeff..He knew nothing about CRG of Racine.and is not a member, but is welcome to become one. He also knew nothing about his name being used. I came across his name and then I asked him questions about his family members on the recall, (I have never met any of the rest of the members of his family whose names were recorded). I came across the names of several other people I expected to find, and names of those I didn't think would've signed.

Who knows Dan. The recallers are putting out the propoganda of "1.9 million signatures", yet want to stop any verification process.

Let the process work itself through. If there are more than 540,208 VALID signatires, then Governor Walker will have the pleasure of beatting the unionistas twice in two 1/2 years.

@john -

If what you say now is true, then aren't you putting to bed the Koch Bros conspiracy theories? After all, Walker apparently didn't know David Koch's voice well enough to realize that it wasn't really him on the phone that he was talking to, right? So wouldn't that mean that Walker rarely, if ever, actually speaks to David Koch? And if David Koch was really Walker's boss, you'd expect them to talk on a regular enough basis so that they'd at least recognize each other's voices, right?

Makes sense, doesn't it john?

You really make this too easy, but I give you credit for trying none-the-less :-)

Walker had never been called before, or spoken to the Koch Brothers, before the fake call. he was kibbitzing with the guy he thought was Koch, in a light-hearted way. The fact that it was a fake afterwards is just a childish bit on the side the Dems, just like the fraud that Mr. Mark Demet did..all in fun no one will see it and we can pretend we have 1.9 MILLION signatures. Maybe not enough to overturn an election but if it's true that Dems are willing to cheat by 2-3% or thereabouts on serious issues like this. Then we can presume that the 2-3% of voter fraud we have suspected for years is just as real. I am so glad we have Voter ID required for 2012! Jim Doyle vetoed it 3 times, because he knew the cheating benefited the Dems.

@morninmist -

So, let me get this straight. You're please over the fact that the GAB won't give the time of day to the ordinary Wisconsin citizen / taxpayer that pays for their budget and their salaries, but will instead only respond to the politicians that you claim are bought and paid for by outside interests.

WOW!!! You really are a hypocrite to the extreme, you do realize this, don't you?

@BremDog -

That's an interesting position to take. As I recall, Doyle didn't state in either of his campaigns that he was going to cut more than $1B from education, but he did. Doyle also expressly promised during his campaign that he wouldn't raise taxes, but he did multiple times.

So, I'm curious - why didn't you try to recall Doyle with the same vigor that you're now going after Walker with?

I guess the Walker recall really is solely about the union issue after all, isn't it?

First, it is very difficult to negotiate with the Democrats while they are carousing in an Illinois water park. Second, in the previous biannual budget debate most of the action in the Assembly and Senate occurred by the Democrats behind closed doors, emerging just long enough to make it legal. Not that it mattered, Diamond Jim Doyle would have just used the Frankenstein veto to get what he wanted, including stealing hundreds of MILLIONS from segregated funds.

When Scott Walker was running for Governor, he specified he would cut waste. EVERYONE knew that meant a good part of that included education and other public sector jobs.