Residents: 'No' to Walmart, 'Yes' to Smaller Retail

Almost 100 residents attended a meeting Wednesday to let a committee know they'd rather not have a big box store - any store - at the corner of 4-Mile and Green Bay Roads.

The overall sentiment at the Walmart land use work group meeting Wednesday night was that residents don't want the retail giant making the village its home.

But, residents also asked for a big box ordinance that would limit the areas where those stores can be built and also offered ideas for what they would like to see in Caledonia's future.

Walmart has submitted rezoning and land use plan amendment applications for the farm field at 4-Mile and Green Bay Roads - referred to as the VCM (Village Center Metra) - so the company can build a 182,000 square foot supercenter. Resident opposition has been fierce with most people pointing out that the site is not appropriate.

To help reconcile inconsistencies in the zoning and the land use plans, Village Administrator Mark Janiuk and Attorney Elaine Ekes suggested the original neighborhood planning group be brought back together - with Plan Commission members - to plan for the future of that site. 

Village President Bob Bradley said several times that the group is focusing on rezoning and not on Walmart, but clearly residents had the proposed store in mind as they read prepared statements.

Nancy Sanders doesn't think big box retail has any place in Caledonia because of the ugly shells they leave behind if they close. She passed out copies to committee members of news articles to bolster her stance.

"I think this group should consider a no big box ordinance because we don’t need this type of business in this area," she said. "Too many build and then close, leaving ugly buildings that will bring down the neighborhood."

Other residents, like Dottie McDonald and Linda Meredith talked about their vision for that corner. McDonald sees it perhaps as the new home for a new village hall while Meredith envisions it as a premier retail destination much like downtown Greendale.

"I see a VCM tastefully decorated with trees, flowers, and grass that would attract people from all over with a visitors’ center highlighting our historical sites," she said. "We could become gathering place for groups like in Greendale where they have busloads of people arriving to visit those businesses."

After Bradley closed the public comment portion of the meeting, comments from committee members during discussion mirrored those of residents.

Village Administrator Mark Janiuk pointed out that 85 percent of village services are paid for with property taxes, and that the Plan Commission and the Village Board need to decide if they want a more balanced approach to the tax levy.

"Residential development creates more needs so tax rates will have to go up," he said. "Unless you find ways to bring in commercial and industrial development, then you’re relying on residential taxes that will keep going up. Those are the consequences of choices you’ve made in the past and what this group has to look at as well."

Janiuk also cautioned residents and committee members about what they want given the economic realities of the area.

"You can say you want certain development in a certain way but there's no guarantee it will happen because it's driven by market forces," he said. "You can say you want Mom & Pop stores, but take a look  at what you’ve had develop along Douglas Avenue ... mainly name-brand stores and very few Mom & Pop stores since you developed the plan."

The meeting adjourned after there was consensus for committee members to take what they'd learned and think it all over before coming back together on May 15 to possibly make a decision on a recommendation for the Planning Commission.

If the work group does vote on a recommendation at their next meeting, their decision would move to the Planning Commission for consideration at that group's May 29 meeting.

The Village Board would then hear the matter perhaps as early as the regular board meeting on June 3 and schedule the required public hearing for sometime in early July and have a final decision by the end of July.

KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 03, 2013 at 10:24 PM
An EIR produced by the city of Fairfield, California, projected that a 187,500-square-foot Wal-Mart supercenter would generate 40 two-axle truck deliveries and 49 semi-trailer and tanker truck deliveries per week. Drawing on previous studies, it estimated that these trucks would idle on site for an average of one hour. (See p. 124-125 of the EIR.) Trip Generation Characteristics of free standing box stores: This study found that supercenters of 200,000 square feet or more generate an average of 42 percent more traffic than the rate listed in the Institute of Transportation Engineers Trip Generation manual. Traffic engineers, developers, and city officials use the figures in this manual to estimate the traffic impact of development projects. This study, which relies on traffic counts conducted at five supercenters in Oklahoma and Texas, indicates that the manual significantly underestimates the traffic generated by large supercenters (stores that combine general merchandise and a full grocery department) and that traffic analyses based on it are unreliable indicators of the actual traffic impact of a supercenter development.
Caledonia Confused May 03, 2013 at 11:35 PM
A friend sent me a link to these old 1937 aerial photos of the area. 300 dpi jpg http://maps.sco.wisc.edu/WHAIFinder/php/jpegdownload.php?id=DZNIOAZT6S7DO8N&format=/methods/1711.dl:SDefineImageWithXLarge/getXLarge&year=Racine8121937_25-2345_7x9 600 dpi tif http://maps.sco.wisc.edu/WHAIFinder/php/tiffdownload.php?id=DZNIOAZT6S7DO8N&format=/datastreams/MASTER/content&year=Racine8121937_25-2345_7x9
Caledonia Confused May 03, 2013 at 11:39 PM
10,000 car trips per day. A store with that traffic would not be sustainable?
Caledonia Confused May 03, 2013 at 11:42 PM
Looks like NGB could handle a few thousand cars dispersed throughout the day. http://youtu.be/iKU-0kdilNk
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Grasshopper, you make good points in some of your arguments. I hope you don't take these the wrong way. Critical Thinking - Standards of Thought - Part 1 http://youtu.be/gNCOOUK-bMQ Critical Thinking - Standards of Thought - Part 2 http://youtu.be/Ksk2-ayoBck
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 04, 2013 at 04:36 AM
Clemens made comments after the adoption of the 2006, before the 2035 adoption in 2009. And they were based on the KRM projected project. Our village did not revamp the 2006 plan in accordance with these ideas. Thy adopted the 2035 plan, which has the whole area Res. Maybe they did not agree with him in 2007 enough to revise that neighborhood plan. To ponder the ghosts of LUP minutes past.
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 06:07 AM
On 05/30/2006 the Plan Commission recommends approval of the final draft of the land use plan as proposed. No mention of there being an error in the table for the VC-M area. On 6/20/2006 the Village adopted the Land Use Plan. No mention of there being an error in the table for the VC-M area. On 01/10/2007 the Plan Commission recommends the village board pass a resolution in support of commuter rail. Not one member questioned the statement that west of the railroad tracks would be mixed use. On 02/19/2007 the Village Board A Resolution Supporting the Kenosha, Racine and Milwaukee (KRM) Commuter Link Station Area Planning. Not one member questioned the area west of the tracks. When the 2035 Comprehensive Plan is done (which was suppose to just drop the Caledonia LUP in) it suddenly has the area west of the railroad tracks designated as residential. No one recommended a LUP amendment at that time to correct the supposed error in the table? Just wait until a developer finds it?
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 06:10 AM
What Are Logical Fallacies? - Define, Identify And Avoid Them http://youtu.be/qfBZuBGYDm4
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 07:33 AM
How does one go about converting the Dwelling Unit per acre in the LUP table to the square feet per Dwelling Unit in the 2035 Comprehensive Plan Map?
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 07:50 AM
Should the Dwelling Units on page 15 of the C1/C2 Neighborhood Plan match the LUP Table? Also, how do you correlate the densities on the concept plan to the 2035 Comprehensive Plan? Trying to figure out where the high and medium densities figure in.
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 09:00 AM
The more I stare at the concept plan for the VC-M area in the C1/C2 Neighborhood Plan, the more I see road differences. It's almost like they inserted a different design into the 2035 Comprehensive Plan. There are roads added, deleted, and moved. Maybe that is the whole key to this. I am sure the answer will come like a fast scoot in the night!
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 04, 2013 at 12:53 PM
The train would have served as the catalyst for major change within our VC-M. It was the topic of many a discussion and planning for quite a long time. And as time passed the reality of that scenario diminished. And somewhere along the line leaders reconvened, talked about the LUP, made list about the LUP, I imagine looked over the LUP village and county level, and did nothing. And then WM came to town and blew the lid off of it. To plan for the future, one must try to look at what currently exists. We have residential homes, a cemetery, wetlands and a small manufacturing company along 2a 2 lane road, intersected by a local trunk hwy servicing the neighborhood. And 1 small, local bar. And train tracks. And maybe if we are examining a development proposal and a possible catalyst for change in the area, one should ask themselves exactly what type of change a WM supercenter would bring to that location. How will it affect the private homes. How will it impact the roads. How will it effect the local economy. How will it effect the environment. Are jobs needed. Are those types of jobs needed. What kind of business does a WM seem to attract? Is there any room to attract more business? I don't see that type of store in that location as a catalyst for positive change in the area. I certainly don't seem alone as many communities across the country have felt the same way about WM's presence. I wonder why? Has history proved it to be true?
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 04, 2013 at 01:32 PM
Logic would dictate if the Village Plan via the 2035 plan allowed for WM's proposal at that location, they would not have to ask for a LUP amendment. If the premise by which they justify the amendment is based on the maps and supposed inconsistencies, both the table and the plan state that the details of the neighborhood plan should be used as the guideline for any consideration of any proposal. The maps alone are not to serve as the guide. The details do not support this type of commercial development. Remove the KRM factor, and it still was not envisioned, wanted or recommended. Based on current zoning change considerations the village uses to consider approval, the proposal does not meet the criteria.
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 04, 2013 at 08:31 PM
Thank you, Master Po
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Does one of the maps in here look familiar? http://maps.sewrpc.org/KRMonline/pdf/tod_portfolio_caledonia.pdf
Caledonia Confused May 04, 2013 at 11:13 PM
Making the changes would eliminate one possible problem in litigation. Right? I am guessing that even WM would prefer another location.
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 04, 2013 at 11:37 PM
pg 9, perhaps? Replica of figure 7-13, neighborhood plan for C1/C2? Read briefly, found it interesting that along 4 mile, not mentioned North side includes wetlands and close proximity to cemetery, but does mention current scatterings of res. homes. Guess all that open space had 'development opportunities? Development of what? Amongst the homes? On wetlands? South side description mentions the Calstar location, the open field...what about the houses?? Done in 2007-need for retail/commercial based on projected growth of residential, right before the housing crash. Pg 7 was an interesting read "West of the Union Pacific Railroad, new residential neighborhoods are planned north and south of Four Mile Road. These neighborhoods would consist of a range of multi-family residential densities immediately proximate to the station area; high-density residential uses along Four Mile Road; and, single-family residential uses on the outer perimeter of the study area. Open spaces should be planned as integrated neighborhood amenities." pg 8: "The preliminary station area plan proposes a new street network within the mixed-use village center east of the railroad and north of Four Mile Road. A new street network is also proposed for the mixed-density neighborhoods west of the railroad." Need for commercial dev based on projected 264% increase in Population within 1/2 mile of station from 2005-2035?
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 04, 2013 at 11:41 PM
pg 14: Zoning •" Caledonia should update its zoning regulations to be consistent with the Village’s Land Use Plan and the Douglas Avenue Neighborhood Plan. Specifically, the Village could consider the use of a transit overlay district for their Village Center Metra (VC-M) area, which includes virtually the entire one-half mile station area. The overlay district should require mixed-use development along Douglas Avenue adjacent to the station, as well as medium- and high-density residential uses of 10 to 20 dwelling units/acre. The overlay district should exclude auto-oriented commercial uses, such as gas stations and repair shops, and heavy industrial uses or warehousing which do not support a pedestrian-oriented environment. Reduced parking standards of 1.5 parking spaces per dwelling unit should be considered for multifamily residential projects." Wow....just wow...
Caledonia Confused May 05, 2013 at 01:09 AM
Keep enlarging the VC-M area from the 2035 Comprehensive Plan http://racine.uwex.edu/files/2010/11/VCaledonia.pdf Compare to the KRM station land use plan on D8 http://maps.sewrpc.org/KRMonline/pdf/tod_portfolio_caledonia.pdf Then compare it to the C1/C2 Neighborhood Plan VC-M concept plan on page 15 http://www.caledoniawi.com/doc_download.aspx?document_id=99 Look at the roads. They inserted the KRM Station area plan into the 2035 Comprehensive Plan. They did not use the concept plan from the C1/C2 Neighborhood Plan.
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 05, 2013 at 01:33 AM
The neighborhood plan does not have a full map of the VC-M, just a figure of the areas A-C West of the tracks. That image aligns with the KRM plan and the 2035 plan for that specific area and parcel. One difference is density values, which the 2006 plan has all of that area as 8DU/Acre while the KRM map puts them at 10-14 and 15-20. The commercial, office and mixed use have a "floor area ratio". ?. I have blown up the 2035 map and yes, it pretty much matches the KRM one. Again, if this was presented in 2007 and an inaccurate representation of the 2006 plan for the area, why was it put into the 2035 plan as the Caledonia Map and signed off on by our village in 2009?
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 05, 2013 at 01:34 AM
What changes, who's litigation and do you really think WM would prefer another location?
JW May 05, 2013 at 01:44 AM
Propose a Walmart anywhere and you will get 100+ citizens boycotting at meetings and putting signs on their property. No one wants one when its too close to them... and that is the main reason they are against it. I dont see the houses near the last location with anti-Walmart signs currently, just as I didnt see the anti-Walmart signs the last time in the area they are now.
San May 06, 2013 at 01:07 PM
most walmart's are out by freeway frontage areas or in heavily commercially developed zones for a reason. the traffic, and other considerations, mean that no community residents should be burdened with the negatives they cause. they are not really suited to be in a residential community on small class B roads.
me May 07, 2013 at 02:50 AM
This suck! Now I'll have to drive another 10 miles to get my meth supplies. :-p
Mark May 07, 2013 at 06:12 PM
This is really sad. Whiners about Walmart everywhere you turn. The truth is that having a Walmart on this corner would be the BEST thing period. You want UGLY abandoned buildings? Take a ride down Douglas Avenue. It's terrible. Putting up these mom and pop type stores will just give you that in a much shorter amount of time. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. Walmart would provide A LOT of good jobs and gives back to the community. It would provide quality at a good price in a store that is not a MESS (Kmart). The store is as good as the community makes it. Ever been to the Walmart in Burlington? Very, very nice. I close my eyes and picture one right on that corner just like it. Unless the older generation of whiners ruin it for all.
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 07, 2013 at 10:02 PM
Mark-I think someone has spiked your Kool-Aid. A lot of good Jobs?? In the last 5 yrs, Walmart has grown 13% in stores while REDUCING workforce by 1.4%. They build more and scrape by with less staff. Those staff come 2012 will not be offered ANY benefits if part time (and by the stats from the last WM proposal in Caledonia, that is 40% of the employees). The majority of jobs, sales associates and cashiers, make an average of $8.81/hr. In the WM Benefits handbook, they even provide contact information state by state for local Medicaid and CHIPS information, because the cost of the benefits they offer employees around this wage, working an average of 34 hrs/wk, costs between 71-104% of their gross yearly income. Quality? WM makes companies alter their products to sell at a reduced rate-smaller sizes, less features. The store in Burlington? Have you seen where they built?? on hwy 36, major commercial corridor, surrounded by large stores, fast food and dealerships. The one subdivision near it (Stonegate, right off the entrance), have foreclosed not only some homes, but MANY of the lots. And that isn't just the market...they are adjacent to the store and the fast food outlots. If a large retail store was meant to be there, the zoning, the land use plan and the infrastructure would reflect it.
Mark May 08, 2013 at 02:46 AM
Believe me, nobody has spiked my Kool-Aid. First off, you throw around a lot of numbers as if they are facts without backup, which makes it meaningless. Secondly, you say Walmart has grown so much while reducing the workforce as if this means something. Ever consider that it is because of efficiencies gained; just as every business that exists in the world does? To drawn your conclusions from the numbers is ignorant. I speak from personal experience. From what I have seen, a cut back in the workforce could easy be explained by motivating some individuals to get to work (Sorry, it is just the truth). Part time jobs are just that - Part time. Hello! You EXPECT great benefits from part time work?? You also claim to have the all knowing knowledge of the salary that everybody at Walmart makes on average as well. I question that.. I happen to know that when Walmart goes into a new area, they do a small study to determine the average wage going in the area, and start out higher. I also find it amusing that you blame the Burlington Walmart for the state of the housing market around it. Yeah, your absolutely right. It has nothing to do with the housing market as a whole. It is completely because of a big box store right around the corner... We have land in Racine county that has gone through the exact same pains, and it has nothing to do with any big box store. Time to open eyes a bit I'd say.
me May 08, 2013 at 04:48 AM
Mark. Your a fool.
KEEP ON KEEPING ON May 08, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Mark-As requested http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=Wal-Mart_Stores%2c_Inc/Hourly_Rate http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/ccpd/repository/files/walmart.pdf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/01/walmart-health-care-policy-medicaid-obamacare_n_2220152.html http://makingchangeatwalmart.org/healthcare/
me May 12, 2013 at 04:52 AM
Please, you will only confuse him with the facts


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